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room271 ◴[] No.23831071[source]
This kind of thing is going to play out a lot over the next few years. It's a tough question: how to marry globalisation with the political realities. When China was very poor, it didn't really matter, or perhaps the assumption was that China would liberalise more quickly than it has. But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democracy, and so on. Let us hope they do so as quickly as possible, not least for the sake of the Chinese people themselves. And let us work to improve our example and unity too in countries where we do have these things, however imperfectly.
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einpoklum[dead post] ◴[] No.23831233[source]
"Proper civil society and human rights" - like the ones afforded to Julian Assange? Or the treatment of the Grenfell tower victims' families?

Glass houses etc.

Karunamon ◴[] No.23831273[source]
Yes, nobody's hands are clean here.

There is, however, a pretty big gulf between the stuff the US has done and engaging in ethnic cleansing and running concentration camps as a matter of policy.

The difference is massive, and well known. Please don't try to falsely equate the two.

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1. einpoklum ◴[] No.23836131[source]
> There is, however, a pretty big gulf between the stuff the US has done and engaging in ethnic cleansing and running concentration camps as a matter of policy.

A big gulf. Hmm. A big gulf. Umm, maybe you mean the Gulf of Aden? That's kind of big, and it's right near where the US participating and supporting the ethnic-cleansing-level siege and bombardment of Yemen by Saudi Arabia.

Remember most states of the US were founded on ethnic cleansing. The US supported Pol Pot, a notorious cleanser (although more of a self-ethnic-cleansing); it carried out mass bombing and poisoning campaigns in the same region of SE Asia, which constitute ethnic cleansing; it starved out the Iraqi people for years, which is borderline ethnic cleansing; it's doing the same to Venezuela right now; it supports Israel, an ethnic/religious-supremacy state held up by keeping the indigenous people of the country outside of it, as refugees - to ensure a demographic majority for the privileged group; it has supported Myanmar/Burma, while it ethnically cleanses the Rohingya; it has supported and still occasionally supports Sunni fundamentalists who aim to cleanse non-Muslims, Shia etc.

As for concentration camps - the US is infamous for its concentration camps. Mostly in countries it occupies, but also for a significant fraction of its citizenry - over 1% if I'm not mistaken. They're more class-based than strictly race-based, but still.

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2. chrischen ◴[] No.23836981[source]
Well the dominant class in America is white western European. So effectively race-based superiority which is why we have the BLM movement right now.