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AndyMcConachie[dead post] ◴[] No.23831133[source]
I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests?

The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism. I'm no defender of China, but let's recognize that the same nations trying to punish China because 'human rights'(US, UK) are the same ones responsible for killing close to 1 million Iraqis and creating the largest humanitarian crisis on earth(Yemen).

drieddust[dead post] ◴[] No.23831231[source]
You aren't dealing with China. You dealing with CCP ruling China with ironhand.

Recently they even failed to honour their fallen soldiers in recent clashes with India and you think they will let you know how many they killed in Hong Kong.

joshuaissac ◴[] No.23831446[source]
> and you think they will let you know how many they killed in Hong Kong.

In the case of Hong Kong, there is no need to rely on the CCP to tell us how many they killed. Hong Kong has much higher levels of press freedom than China, and deaths would likely be made known in other ways.[1]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index

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1. Karunamon ◴[] No.23832123[source]
That's likely changing soon. China basically stepped in and got a "security law" passed, which strips a lot of autonomy away from HK.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838