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AndyMcConachie[dead post] ◴[] No.23831133[source]
I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests?

The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism. I'm no defender of China, but let's recognize that the same nations trying to punish China because 'human rights'(US, UK) are the same ones responsible for killing close to 1 million Iraqis and creating the largest humanitarian crisis on earth(Yemen).

Waterfall ◴[] No.23831212[source]
China puts their own citizens in concentration camps. They're using machine learning to generate social scores. If you don't like America or the UK, you can leave. Try doing that in China. Dying in a free zone is preferable to the enslavement that the Chinese are subjected to. Freedom has a price, and it's not racist to not like these horrible cultural values or to go against them.
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__alexs ◴[] No.23831389[source]
> China puts their own citizens in concentration camps.

Is putting other countries citizens in concentration camps somehow morally superior?

> They're using machine learning to generate social scores.

America also has this they just call it a "credit score" or "klout".

> If you don't like America or the UK, you can leave.

Wow all my US expat friends who constantly complain about having to pay US taxes despite living here in the UK must have things totally wrong then.

> it's not racist to not like these horrible cultural values or to go against them.

No it's racist to ignore the injustices we commit in the west while condemning Asian countries for doing the same thing with different branding.

The argument isn't "China is good actually." It's "We do most of the same stuff you are accusing them of."

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1. Waterfall ◴[] No.23831529[source]
Yes. The point is not to hurt your own civilians, aka civilization. I don't even understand why you question that.

Our credit system is bad and theirs is worst. Next topic?

They can at any point renounce their citizenship, but they don't and continue to pay their taxes.

I grew up with cultural values, and I don't like the Chinese ones. Does that mean the US is perfect? Of course not.

Whataboutism is cushioning the evil creeping, instead of trying to stop the incoming flood, you're busy mopping up the puddle.