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AndyMcConachie[dead post] ◴[] No.23831133[source]
I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests?

The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism. I'm no defender of China, but let's recognize that the same nations trying to punish China because 'human rights'(US, UK) are the same ones responsible for killing close to 1 million Iraqis and creating the largest humanitarian crisis on earth(Yemen).

1. gspr ◴[] No.23831436[source]
> I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people.

Say what? Haven't the previous months' worth of protest illustrated quite well that exactly the HR violations you use in your example are very much not ignored?

Besides, HR violations in a free and open society can be talked about and acted upon. China is a dystopian hellhole where even raising the plight of the Uyghurs in concentration camps, or the lack of free speech, or arbitrary arrests, or …, is dangerous. Full stop. For all its problems, the West is in a completely different league where it comes to HR violations. For sure we have problems, but China's are orders of magnitude bigger. So no wonder we "whine".