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msoad ◴[] No.23679601[source]
Google's developer relations team have done a good job convincing web devs that those APIs are pushed by Google to enable "Amazing PWAs", yet we haven't seen them used by any major app. People are choosing to download native apps for more sophisticated applications.

However Google is pushing those APIs because they know tracking people without cookies in future is a big challenge for them and they need new ways of tracking people.

So sad that Google has taken over the web. From the most used browser (Chrome) to the content hijacking (AMP) to the standards (PWA). All to sell you to advertisers.

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Abishek_Muthian ◴[] No.23680171[source]
If PWAs die, we will be struck with this duopoly in smartphone OS for foreseeable future as native apps are the ones which help them retain their position.

If we want upcoming pure Linux smartphone OS, Sailfish or any other platform which protect the mobile computing from becoming proprietary; we need web apps & PWAs to grow and capture significant market.

Apple's treatment towards PWAs has been well known as PWAs are the only threat for its Appstore monopoly in iOS.

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EastSmith ◴[] No.23680351[source]
Name three PWA apps please. I know I've built two PWA POC some time ago (using service workers and Notification API), but I've never use any PWA in the wild.
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bad_user ◴[] No.23680584[source]
> Name three PWA apps please

Fastmail, Facebook, Twitter.

None of them work on iOS due to lacking web push notifications. All of them can work on Android as PWAs and as PWAs they are more secure and privacy friendly (not only due to less permissions granted, but also because you can protect yourself with uBlock Origin et all).

Keep in mind that your personal experience is an anecdote.

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NovemberWhiskey ◴[] No.23681674[source]
>Fastmail, Facebook, Twitter.

I don't Android, so I really don't know - but are those PWAs the only or primary options for most users on the Android platform?

If not, they're really just "native apps which are also available as PWAs", and without data on relative adoption rates it's not really very useful information.

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1. bad_user ◴[] No.23684734[source]
So you're invoking popularity, but I don't understand what that has to do with it.

I use web apps all the time, even on mobile. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

Speaking of which Fastmail's Android and iOS apps are just the web app packaged in a native shell ;-) and they are not alone. For them clearly it was cost efective to work on that web app.

As for why they bothered to package their web app in a native shell? Maybe that's were the problem is.