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jamesgeck0 ◴[] No.23679063[source]
> Web MIDI API - Allows websites to enumerate, manipulate and access MIDI devices.

This API is actually a bit horrifying from a security perspective. In addition to allowing you to use MIDI keyboards as input devices on websites, it also allows websites to send binary firmware updates to MIDI devices. The reason is that it's common to use custom firmware to backup/restore settings and enable neat effects and functionality on MIDI devices.

Mozilla's engineers have reasonably pointed out that an attacker utilizing Web MIDI could use MIDI devices as a stepping stone to launch an attack against the user's PC outside of the web sandbox. One such attack might be by reprogramming the device to appear as a standard USB computer keyboard and "typing" commands to the host.

At least one well known manufacturer has vouched for the technical safety of their musical instruments, noting that they're physically designed in such a way that the MIDI firmware can't alter USB firmware. But there's no way to know that every MIDI device has been similarly well designed.

As neat as Web MIDI is, I think Mozilla and Apple probably made the right security call here.

https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/58

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alerighi ◴[] No.23680706[source]
What is the problem if the user give the permission to do so?

I don't get this let's not allow this web api because it's dangerous, well you only move the problem to an application that the user installs on his PC.

If the permission mechanism is correct there is no danger, a web applcation wants to access my MIDI interface or my USB or Bluetooth or whatever and it can. Isn't the same for mobile applications and permission?

So maybe and I say maybe we could stop having to ship an entire Chromium engine with Elecron just for a web application to access devices or files on the computer.

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Jonnax ◴[] No.23681442[source]
Because people don't expect their web browser to be able to brick their hardware.
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searchableguy ◴[] No.23681558[source]
Then change the expectations. Native apps aren't much better as far as privacy goes. Users should absolutely verify everything they use.
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1. _trampeltier ◴[] No.23682258{3}[source]
That's why I have almost no Apps on my phone. Just a lot of different browsers. I think the new mobile Vivaldi browser is the first with an option to switch of the 3d sensor for the website