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hn_throwaway_99 ◴[] No.23544053[source]
I thought this was a great article. One of the most interesting things to me was how the embarrassment/defensiveness of the white people involved was one of the biggest blocks to the black CEOs in their advancement, e.g. the VCs who "just wanted to get the hell out of there" after mistaking a white subordinate for the CEO.

I've recently been reading/watching some videos and writings by Robin Diangelo on systemic racism - here's a great starting point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mzj0cVL0Q. She also wrote the book "White Fragility".

Thinking about that, I'm just wondering how different it would be if one of those people who mistook the employee for the CEO instead turned to the CEO and said "I'm sorry, please excuse me for the instance of racism I just perpetrated against you, I promise it won't happen again." I realize how outlandish that may sound writing that out, but I'd propose that the fact that it does sound outlandish is the main problem. Everyone in the US was raised in an environment that inculcated certain racial ideas, subconsciously or not. We can't address them if we're so embarrassed by their existence as to pretend they don't exist.

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tomp ◴[] No.23544188[source]
That's stereotyping, not racism. People make inferences. Like, if there's two folks, one dressed in a suit, the other in baggy clothes with thick glasses, most people (including VCs) would default to the former as the MBA CEO, and the latter as geek CTO Even though it might be the exact opposite! If you make a wrong inference, just accept the correction and move on, no hurt feelings. Similar for old vs. young.
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refurb ◴[] No.23545665[source]
This is what my concern with the focus on race is. You may commit an act that appears racist, when in fact it wasn't at all.

An example:

- I run into a white friend and call him Dave (another white guy I know), when his name is Mark. It happens, I apologize as I'm terrible with names.

- I run into a black friend and call him Dave (another black guy I know), when his name is Mark. It happens, I apologize as I'm terrible with names.

In the 2nd instance, you can guarantee someone will accuse me of bring racist.

Basically, people make mistakes and say rude things all the time. But throw race in there and suddenly everything is viewed in the worst possible light.

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1. TeaDrunk ◴[] No.23546273[source]
In the second instance I’d only find it racist if Dave and Mark were the only black people you knew, and also if this mistake isn’t extended to everyone but only the black people in your life.
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2. anticonformist ◴[] No.23546938[source]
So what if they're the only two black people he knows? And so what if he only gets confused by black people? There is nothing racist about it in any case.

Person A has illiberal views on race but is very good at recognizing black people's faces.

Person B has liberal views on race but is very bad at recognizing black people's faces.

From your point of view: Person A is not apparently racist and person B is a confirmed racist!

This is a good example of how mistaken the illiberal left has become on these issues.