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shiado ◴[] No.23347239[source]
The service that hosts the accounts of all branches of the US military, all major weapons contractors, all three letter agencies, and many foreign militaries, governments, and world leaders guilty of all manner of war crimes, and this is where they draw the line for violence. Really interesting.
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doublesCs ◴[] No.23347293[source]
The president is the most visible face of the government. Of all the ones you mentioned, it's the only one people actually vote for. What he says and does has the most impact. So I don't find it "interesting", I find it entirely reasonable.
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jacquesm ◴[] No.23347330[source]
People in the United States do not vote for a president. They vote for an elector who in turn will vote for the president. This is an important and often left out detail in how the American political system works, in theory it could have protected us from the current dumpster fire.
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djannzjkzxn ◴[] No.23347352[source]
My ballot has the candidate’s name on it, not some elector. If electors conspired to change the outcome, the people would rightfully consider it nothing more than a coup, regardless of the 18th-century design of the electoral college.
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1. ashtonkem ◴[] No.23350665[source]
In many states “faithless electors”, who override the public will are illegal. They’re also exceedingly rare.

At this point, Americans vote for the president, arguing to the contrary is just pedantry.

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2. pbhjpbhj ◴[] No.23351044[source]
Why have the electoral college then?
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3. ashtonkem ◴[] No.23351169[source]
Three reasons.

One, the electoral college itself is tied to the political power of many low population states, so any serious adjustment to this process is a pretty dangerous subject for some states, making any country wide changes very hard to start.

Two, the shift to direct election of the president (minus the electoral college) was not a planned change. If one day in the 19th century everyone decided to change, then scrapping the EC would've made sense. Instead it has been a slow process happening over at least a century to arrive at our modern system, hence the presence of vestigial artifacts like the electors themselves.

Three, the process of how electors are selected is delegated to the states, which is part of why it took so long. So for example Pennsylvania and Maryland went to a system by which one party won the entire state at once in 1789, while it took South Carolina until 1860 to abandon per district results. Maine never adopted the winner takes all approach, and assigns two votes by district and two by the popular vote tally.

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4. hombre_fatal ◴[] No.23351547[source]
So that you can't just pander to the top N population centers to win an election.
5. djannzjkzxn ◴[] No.23353055[source]
The electoral college as a system for weighting the votes of people based on where they live is unjust in my opinion, but it’s well-understood as part of the rules of the system as it exists today. The mechanics of that system where the electors are humans who cast votes instead of just points that get tallied is a formality we could get rid of.
6. beerandt ◴[] No.23353163{3}[source]
Well said, but I'd like to restate and emphasize a point you stated:

the Constitution specifies that States (not The People or citizens or voters) shall choose their electors.

As you said, allocation of electors by states has been played with in different ways based on different election/ voting methods, but there's actually no constitutional requirement for States to hold a general election at all.

It's entirely up to the state legislatures, who have all since delagated the responsibility to a statewide vote.

From Article II:

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors..."

That's it- the rest covers how many electors each state gets.

It's questionable as to what theoretical limits the modern SCOTUS might place on this power to delegate, but they've already said that voting must adhere to "one person, one vote" principles, and have hinted that the states can't delegate the power externally (from the state). But they've never explicitly "locked-in" the requirement that any state hold a general election at all.

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7. ashtonkem ◴[] No.23354403{4}[source]
You’re right that there’s no hard constitutional requirement that electors vote for for whoever won the popular vote in their state or district, but there is absolutely a strong cultural expectation that electors act faithfully. Also, it’s illegal in many states for electors to act faithlessly.

I think this is a bit like saying that the UK has no constitution because it’s not written down. It’s technically true, but it comes nowhere close to the actual lived experience of the people in that jurisdiction, who absolutely believe they live in a constitutional society.