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Traster ◴[] No.23322571[source]
I think this is going to be a discussion thread that is almost inevitably going to be a shitshow, but anyway:

There are people who advocate the idea that private companies should be compelled to distribute hate speech, dangerously factually incorrect information and harassment under the concept that free speech is should be applied universally rather than just to government. I don't agree, I think it's a vast over-reach and almost unachievable to have both perfect free speech on these platforms and actually run them as a viable business.

But let's lay that aside, those people who make the argument claim to be adhering to an even stronger dedication to free speech. Surely, it's clear here that having the actual head of the US government threatening to shut down private companies for how they choose to manage their platforms is a far more disturbing and direct threat against free speech even in the narrowest sense.

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craftinator ◴[] No.23325355[source]
I really appreciate your approach to this argument. You really cut through any strawman fallacies by pointing out that there's a debate along a spectrum about what protecting free speech entails, but that the President needs to have limitations in his power over private companies. I think this final point is not debatable in a legal context; he does not legally have that power.
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AnimalMuppet ◴[] No.23325971[source]
Darn right he does not have the power.

Either the president does not know the constitutional limits on his power, or he knows them but still thinks it's a good idea to claim power that he does not have. I'm not sure which is worse.

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beart ◴[] No.23330264[source]
Trump loves twitter. If he actually had a problem with it, he could just stop posting.

So I think it's more of a third choice - He doesn't care if he has the power, he's just creating chaos and conflict to excite his base, as he has been doing for years.

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goatherders[dead post] ◴[] No.23332044[source]
His followers love it. Hes an incompetent knob but he didnt elect himself. The morons - and they are ALL morons - that support him eat this up and care not that he has no authority to do anything like this.
CapricornNoble ◴[] No.23338799[source]
>>>The morons - and they are ALL morons - that support him

A not-insignificant portion of his base supports him because of exactly the sort of attitude you display in your post: arrogant, smug, baseless condescension. Did you learn nothing from the whole "basket of deplorables" incident?

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/trump-won-the-majority-of...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_of_deplorables#Analysis

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goatherders ◴[] No.23339022[source]
Agree 100%. And if my post calling a Trump supporter a moron is arrogant, smug, and condescending then I am prepared to own all of those accusations. I AM better than Trump supporters and I DO look down on them. All of them. Not a single one can make a policy based argument in favor of his Presidency. Not a one. And if you ask them to they rant about snowflakes and fake media and whatever else Tucker Carlson tells them the night before.

A large portion of his base supports him and squeals with delight because he antagonizes people that are intelligent, educated, and open-minded. Those people are morons. All of them. And if that sounds arrogant or smug or condescending then good.

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1. CapricornNoble ◴[] No.23339941[source]
>>>I AM better than Trump supporters and I DO look down on them. All of them.

So you THINK you're the smartest guy in the room...and yet you can't even conceptualize that, somewhere among the US population of 330 million people, with ~6.6 million geniuses, that there are intelligent, educated, open-minded voters who heavily-weighted policy issues such as border security, 2nd Amendment, and countering a rising China, looked at their Candidate options, and opted for Trump as a best-fit to pursue their prioritized issues.

If your brain can't fathom that possibility, then ARE you objectively better than ALL of them? That's far beyond statistically improbable. I would hope that you would cultivate a sense of introspection and contemplate the subject. All of us would benefit. Seriously. No one in America gains when portions of our population are completely unable to productively engage with their fellow citizens, which they've cast wholesale in a mold shaped by the most ridiculous, caricatured stereotype possible.

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2. goatherders ◴[] No.23344689[source]
I used to work for the Republican party and am - literally - the guy that drew the 2000 Texas congressional map which laid the groundwork and provided the blueprint for the GOP to disenfranchise voters at the the state and federal level in 48 states for the last 20 years.

I am 100% better and smarter than every Trump supporter on earth. All of them. Border, 2nd ammendment, rising China...if you want to talk policy I am most certainly your Huckleberry.

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3. goatherders ◴[] No.23354507{3}[source]
Probably. Still better than everyone who supports DJT.
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4. read_if_gay_ ◴[] No.23360010{4}[source]
You need to relax and realize that just because you don't like someone doesn't mean literally everyone who supports him is an idiot.

You sound like a raging extremist. It's ironic that you're so sure you are smarter than like 100 million people.

5. dang ◴[] No.23367346{4}[source]
Please stop doing political flamewar on HN. It's not what this site is for, and we ban accounts that do it, regardless of how smart you are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: I just checked the account history and am glad to see that you haven't made a habit of this in HN comments in the past. Please don't start!