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busymom0 ◴[] No.23331091[source]
It seems like any remotely political post on HN gets flooded and upvoted with provable incorrect comments. Twitter team which is doing "fact checks" is severely biased and factually wrong.

Twitter's "Head of Site Integrity" Yoel Roth boasts on his LinkedIn that he is in charge of "developing and enforcing Twitter’s rules".

> “He leads the teams responsible for developing and enforcing Twitter’s rules”

Here's a few of his tweets:

> Massive anti-Trump protest headed up Valencia St. San Francisco.

> I’m just saying, we fly over those states that voted for a racist tangerine for a reason.

> The “you are not the right kind of feminist” backlash to yesterday’s marches has begun. Did we learn nothing from this election?

> Yes, that person in the pink hat is clearly a bigger threat to your brand of feminism than ACTUAL NAZIS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

> How does a personality-free bag of farts like Mitch McConnell actually win elections?

> “Today on Meet The Press, we’re speaking with Joseph Goebbels about the first 100 days…” —What I hear whenever Kellyanne is on a news show

This same person doesn't stand up to his own purity tests:

> It wouldn't be a trip to New York without at least one big scary tranny.

> "Trans is a category worth being linguistically destabilized in the same way we did gay with 'fag,'" he wrote. "Sorry, but I don’t subscribe to PC passing the buck. Identity politics is for everyone."

Twitter's "fact check" is literally wrong. Until few years ago, every one agreed that mail-in ballot has massive fraud:

> “votes cast by mail are less likely to be counted, more likely to be compromised & more likely to be contested than those cast in a voting booth, statistics show.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-...

Just 1 week ago: Close Results In Paterson Vote Plagued By Fraud Claims; Over 3K Ballots Seemingly Set Aside - A county spokesman said 16,747 vote-by-mail ballots were received, but the county's official results page shows 13,557 votes were counted — with uncounted ballots representing 19%

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/close-results-in-pater...

> California Secretary of State confirmed double-voting in one case and suspected double-voting by a number of other registered voters on Super Tuesday:

https://www.scribd.com/document/456618983/CA-SOS-Duplicate-V...

Yesterday, WEST VIRGINIA – Thomas Cooper, a USPS mail carrier in Pendleton County, was charged today in a criminal complaint with attempted election fraud, U.S. Attorney Bill Powell announced.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndwv/pr/pendleton-county-mail-c...

In 2004, Jerry Nadler (Democrat) asserts that paper ballots, particularly in the absence of machines, are extremely susceptible to fraud:

https://streamable.com/tbzu47

Future head of the Democrat Party Debbie Wasserman Schultz opposing mail-in ballots due to the risk of election fraud in 2008:

https://streamable.com/2tyqp1

West Virginia Mail Carrier Charged With Altering Absentee Ballot Requests:

https://time.com/5843088/west-virginia-mail-carrier-fraud-ab...

Also Twitter’s Trump ‘Fact Check’ Does Not Disclose Company Partnered with Groups Pushing Mail-In Ballots.

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https://twitter.com/yoyoel/status/822654925217873921

https://twitter.com/yoyoel/status/823312544425132033

https://twitter.com/catfashionshow/status/298477704666300416

https://twitter.com/yoyoel/status/890812999874691073

https://twitter.com/yoyoel/status/823260235796094978

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tehwebguy ◴[] No.23332518[source]
Sorry, do these data points prove that votes cast by mail are not "less likely to be counted, more likely to be compromised & more likely to be contested than those cast in a voting booth"?
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busymom0 ◴[] No.23332596[source]
Did you read my full comment?
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tehwebguy ◴[] No.23332607[source]
Yes, and I saw your examples. But do they prove that mail-in votes are:

1. less likely to be counted 2. more likely to be compromised & 3. more likely to be contested than those cast in a voting booth?

Or are they just some examples of mail-in voter fraud? (Some aren’t even that, still just discrepancies being investigated)

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busymom0 ◴[] No.23335535[source]
The NBC news article I quoted explains exactly what you are asking:

> Close Results In Paterson Vote Plagued By Fraud Claims; Over 3K Ballots Seemingly Set Aside

> A county spokesman said 16,747 vote-by-mail ballots were received, but the county's official results page shows 13,557 votes were counted — with uncounted ballots representing 19 percent of all votes cast

> The spokesman later told the Paterson Press that the additional 2,390 disqualifications were due to the election board comparing signatures on the ballots to those previously on file for voters, and the new ones not matching up. The spokesman also would not explain the breakdown of what ward those ballots were from, or which candidates were voted for in those disqualified ballots. According to the Paterson Press, four wards had more votes go uncounted than the winner's margin of victory — meaning the uncounted ballots possibly could have tipped the election in favor of one of the candidates.

I think it’s not worth debating political topics on HN because all I get is comments flagged (aka disappears), downvoted and people being intellectually dishonest. Seems like no one clicks on any of the sources before downvoting and attacking.

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1. tehwebguy ◴[] No.23337672[source]
You are probably being downvoted because you are moving the goalpost:

I am not asking you if mail in voter fraud has ever happened, I am asking you if there is proof that there is more mail in voter fraud than in person voter fraud.

I don’t think you will be able to give me anything that indicates this, much less proves it, Twitters statement stands correct