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Traster ◴[] No.23322571[source]
I think this is going to be a discussion thread that is almost inevitably going to be a shitshow, but anyway:

There are people who advocate the idea that private companies should be compelled to distribute hate speech, dangerously factually incorrect information and harassment under the concept that free speech is should be applied universally rather than just to government. I don't agree, I think it's a vast over-reach and almost unachievable to have both perfect free speech on these platforms and actually run them as a viable business.

But let's lay that aside, those people who make the argument claim to be adhering to an even stronger dedication to free speech. Surely, it's clear here that having the actual head of the US government threatening to shut down private companies for how they choose to manage their platforms is a far more disturbing and direct threat against free speech even in the narrowest sense.

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clairity ◴[] No.23330267[source]
it's clearly impossible for trump to shut down twitter. he doesn't know how his own government works and doesn't care to know, because his goal is entirely self-promotion and personal profit. he's not a hard person to figure out.

it's more concerning that people are taking it seriously enough to create so much chatter. it's not even a free speech issue, insofar as twitter is not a government entity. there's literally no 'there' there.

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RealityVoid ◴[] No.23332378[source]
I think it's not as impossible as you make it out to be. He might not understand how to do it, but if he were to leverage the tools at his disposal, he definitely could do it.

I initially thought that he could not gut the American administration _too_ much because of institutional inertia and the systems put in place that still had you country functioning pretty well once he took power. But now here we are, him having placed stoodges at the head most most institutions and gutted them of power.

If he could do that, he most obviously could lead to Twitter falling apart. Another poster outlined here how that could work:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23330463

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1. clairity ◴[] No.23332613[source]
no, even he's not dumb enough to try, but even so, he'd never get far enough to do any real damage. the courts would quickly strike down such obvious abuses of power. the framers were smart enough to anticipate someone like trump (more like nixon, but trump is a poor man's nixon). he also doesn't have the stamina or self-control to follow through before he'd be right back on twitter preaching to his choir. he's too addicted to the instant validation he gets from it.

the massive federal bureaucracies don't turn on a dime and are still running fine (we have food, power, water, commerce, justice, etc.), despite trump's paranoia around having anyone around him stealing his limelight, including competent cabinet members and heads of other federal agencies. hopefully these next few months are the final season of reality tv government here.

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2. RealityVoid ◴[] No.23343728[source]
Well, he's trying it.
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3. clairity ◴[] No.23352358[source]
yeah, the plot thickens on this week’s episode as our protagonist tries desperately to not get kicked off the island and lose his conch of invincibility, even though we all know he especially deserves it.

it’s a small squeak though, unlikely to last more than a news cycle. he just loves the twitter limelight too much, loves being a bully, and really needs the media distracted on him for the next 6 months. we’ll get a bunch of these tirades as he tries every outrage to see what sticks with the media and keeps that sweet camera lens on him.