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Traster ◴[] No.23322571[source]
I think this is going to be a discussion thread that is almost inevitably going to be a shitshow, but anyway:

There are people who advocate the idea that private companies should be compelled to distribute hate speech, dangerously factually incorrect information and harassment under the concept that free speech is should be applied universally rather than just to government. I don't agree, I think it's a vast over-reach and almost unachievable to have both perfect free speech on these platforms and actually run them as a viable business.

But let's lay that aside, those people who make the argument claim to be adhering to an even stronger dedication to free speech. Surely, it's clear here that having the actual head of the US government threatening to shut down private companies for how they choose to manage their platforms is a far more disturbing and direct threat against free speech even in the narrowest sense.

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kgin ◴[] No.23328982[source]
I think it's even more concerning than that.

Threatening to shut down private companies -- not for limiting speech, not for refusing to distribute speech -- but for exercising their own right to free speech alongside the free speech of others (in this case the president).

There is no right to unchallenged or un-responded-to speech, regardless of how you interpret the right to free speech.

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Florin_Andrei ◴[] No.23331811[source]
> There is no right to unchallenged or un-responded-to speech

There are forms of government where certain forms of speech cannot be challenged. Well, not safely anyway.

I should know, I lived for 20 years in that sort of place (Eastern Bloc kid).

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1. sillysaurusx ◴[] No.23332029[source]
What was that like?

I tried to make the question more precise, but I’m not quite sure what I’m asking. I guess I was hoping to hear more from you because normally I’ve only heard it from books, not from an actual person who lived under it.

pg’s trick for getting interesting answers is to ask “What surprised you the most?” That may be relevant here — if you had to pick some surprising differences, what specifically would they be?

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2. visarga ◴[] No.23334112[source]
Not the GP poster, but I have also lived in the Eastern Block before 1989. I was surprised by the lies. Everyone had to lie with a straight face, otherwise risk being arrested. We had to lie that everything was great, the party wonderful, while in reality we needed heat, food, books, general shopping items, the right to travel and study abroad (outside the Eastern Block) and the right to speak freely.
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3. Florin_Andrei ◴[] No.23334407[source]
But see, it was not surprising. It was just... life, and how can that be surprising?

I guess what would shock you is how normal it felt for us, back then. I mean, when that's all you know, that's just how it is.

You had to be careful with the general frame of the ideas that you expressed in public - but that was normal. You could not freely leave the country - but that was normal. Anything that had to do with the government was a bunch of lies - but that was normal.

Yet life went on. People grew up, got married, got a job, etc.

We used to tell a lot of jokes about the government - I guess as a way to cope. I miss those jokes.

4. mcny ◴[] No.23336124[source]
My friend from China PR said something similar. I tried to get her in touch with another friend from China PR as I thought they’d be able to assist or at least understand her immigration problem. However, she explained strangers from China PR have to play this weird dance where each pledges allegiance to the Communist Party more in case the other person is a spy or something.