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itchyjunk ◴[] No.23323027[source]
Hm, is fact checking solved problem? I remember someone here had their game flagged just because it referenced SARS-CoV-2. I hear almost daily horror stories of youtube algo's screwing up content creator. As a human, I still struggle a lot to read a paper and figure out what I just read. On top of that, things like the GPT2 from OpenAI might generate very human like comment.

Is there no way to consider social media as unreliable overall and not bother fact checking anything there? All this tech is relatively new but maybe we should think in longer time scale. Wikipedia is still not used as a source in school work because that's the direction educational institution moved. If we could give a status that nothing on social media is too be taken seriously, maybe it's a better approach.

Let me end this on a muddier concept. I thought masks was a good idea from the get go but there was an opposing view that existed at some point about this even from "authoritative" sources. In that case, do we just appeal to authority? Ask some oracle what "fact" is and shun every other point of view?

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gjulianm ◴[] No.23323090[source]
> Is there no way to consider social media as unreliable overall and not bother fact checking anything there?

The issue is that this is not just a random social media post, it's coming from the President of the US, and most people expect that someone in that position will not post clearly false messages, specially when those messages affect something as fundamental as the election process.

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supportlocal4h ◴[] No.23324113[source]
Imagine if a U.S. president were to flagrantly make up a claim that some other country was developing weapons of mass destruction. Imagine that there was no way to verify this claim. Imagine that the president insisted on invading said country on the basis of the unsupported claim.

Do most people still expect that someone in that position will not post clearly false messages, specially when those messages affect something as fundamental as the death of thousands of people and the overthrow of a government?

Iran contra, Watergate, Vietnam, ...

Is there any trust left?

It's bewildering that the answer is, "Yes". It's discouraging that so many presidents have so often deceived the people so horribly. It's much much more discouraging that the people don't learn.

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georgeecollins ◴[] No.23331167[source]
That is a very apples to oranges comparison. For example, in the case of Iraq (a terrible moral mistake and embarrassment for the US in my opinion), the President, his administration, and most of the media really believed the Iraqi's were making weapons of mass destruction. They were extremely biased, and they suppressed the counter argument. All bad, I am not trying to defend it, but not the same. The other historical examples you give are all different in their own way. But in almost every case (except Watergate) they involve some reputable people who in good faith believed what they were saying.

No knowledgeable person believes what Trump is saying about mail in ballots. I don't think he believes it. This is really different.

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1. croutonwagon ◴[] No.23331863[source]
On the one hand. You are somewhat right.

Except the his administration part. I dont think cheney and rumsfeld believed it. It was largely manufactured. And the “counter arguments” werent really arguments. The administrations own advisors said the uranium couldnt have been sold.

And the tubes they barely clung to as proof were heavily contested by just as many that believed it internally. Thats not actionable intel.

And when the advisor outed his own reports publicly, his wifes career was ended by being outed.

It was malicous from within from specific participants, but not necessarily the president. Unvetted, unactionable intel was used as cover. Nothing more.

Bushes negligence was not being throrough and surrounding himself and empowering the absolutely wrong people. But the buck still stopped with him.