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Traster ◴[] No.23322571[source]
I think this is going to be a discussion thread that is almost inevitably going to be a shitshow, but anyway:

There are people who advocate the idea that private companies should be compelled to distribute hate speech, dangerously factually incorrect information and harassment under the concept that free speech is should be applied universally rather than just to government. I don't agree, I think it's a vast over-reach and almost unachievable to have both perfect free speech on these platforms and actually run them as a viable business.

But let's lay that aside, those people who make the argument claim to be adhering to an even stronger dedication to free speech. Surely, it's clear here that having the actual head of the US government threatening to shut down private companies for how they choose to manage their platforms is a far more disturbing and direct threat against free speech even in the narrowest sense.

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m0zg[dead post] ◴[] No.23329911[source]
This right here gentleman is in charge of what Twitter deems "factually correct" and "safe" for you: https://twitter.com/yoyoel/status/796186371408789505

Just wonderful, absolutely unbiased human being, 100% "site integrity" guaranteed: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8361349/Head-Twitte...

So no, let's not "lay that aside".

croon ◴[] No.23330972[source]
Can you point to any false fact-checks?
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m0zg ◴[] No.23331000[source]
I can easily point out the lack of fact checks on statements made by people from the "correct" side of the political spectrum. Charlottesville hoax is spoken of as a fact by the likes of Joe Biden, for example.
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croon ◴[] No.23331117[source]
I have no idea what "Charlottesville hoax" is, but googling it leads me to a book by an author I can't find any information on, claiming that the Charlottesville riots didn't actually happen.

I¨m hoping you are not suggesting the same? If so, we¨re not even operating in the same reality.

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m0zg[dead post] ◴[] No.23331176[source]
It's unbelievable how much the US populace has been gaslit by liberal media if you _still_ don't know it. This refers to "fine people on both sides" comment deliberately taken out of context. Here's what Trump actually said:

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."

Direct quote, you can easily find a full transcript and see for yourself. Yet you didn't even know this existed. You're being lied to every day and you don't even know it.

1. croon ◴[] No.23331390[source]
> It's unbelievable how much the US populace has been gaslit by liberal media if you _still_ don't know it. This refers to "fine people on both sides" comment deliberately taken out of context.

> Direct quote, you can easily find a full transcript and see for yourself. Yet you didn't even know this existed. You're being lied to every day and you don't even know it.

You are assuming I'm being misled because I¨m not up to date on the latest "controversy" to hit PragerU.

I watched the whole press briefing when it happened, I'm very aware of what Trump said. And your direct quote is as much a direct quote as that which you suggest was unfair. Both are low on context.

The problem (in full context) was his multiple use of "both sides" referring to both good people as well as bad.

Whether he explicitly referred to neo-nazis or not is trying to divert the focus away from the fact that only people on one side was killed, only people on one side the night before chanted "jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil", and only people on one side were sporting a flag that symbolizes slavery.

I'm not glossing over the fact that there were violence on the other side, as there always will be.

But what the narrative cast by "charlottesville hoax" is sidestepping is that one side wouldn't be there if there wasn't for the need to stand up to (some portion) literal nazis.

Repeatedly uttering the words "both/all sides" in any context at that press conference is indefensible.