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Traster ◴[] No.23322571[source]
I think this is going to be a discussion thread that is almost inevitably going to be a shitshow, but anyway:

There are people who advocate the idea that private companies should be compelled to distribute hate speech, dangerously factually incorrect information and harassment under the concept that free speech is should be applied universally rather than just to government. I don't agree, I think it's a vast over-reach and almost unachievable to have both perfect free speech on these platforms and actually run them as a viable business.

But let's lay that aside, those people who make the argument claim to be adhering to an even stronger dedication to free speech. Surely, it's clear here that having the actual head of the US government threatening to shut down private companies for how they choose to manage their platforms is a far more disturbing and direct threat against free speech even in the narrowest sense.

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giancarlostoro ◴[] No.23327459[source]
I wasn't going to post anything because of the direction HN seems to lean and because they get enraged about these sort of discussions. Hear me out and feel free to respond instead of shunning me out.

The bigger issue is these platforms only get those free speech protections because they're platforms. The moment they start editing content like this, they become editors to a publishing platform, and they should be held liable for all that they've published. You can't just have your cake and eat it too, today they make you happy to censor the evil orange man, tomorrow they may censor those you support.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

We're seeing with YouTube that they're deleting posts against Communist China:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23324695

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23221264

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23317570

Worse what happens when you cross Facebook imposing Chinese censorship on the whole world?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13018770

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12479990

What happens when Google is used to push liberal bias?

Vimeo deletes videos claiming such bias from Google despite clear evidence in video:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20302010

"If we break things up, we can't stop Trump" replace Trump with any political candidate you've ever supported by the way to understand why this sort of thing is dangerous:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20265502

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20697780

I am sure I will get into fire for this comment, considering my citations were flagged to death because people don't agree with others. But mark my words, if the tables were flipped and they were censoring all your favorite candidates, you'd be outraged and against anything that would hinder free speech.

If you take away anything from this post be sure to be this:

Twitter, Google, Facebook etc are considered "platforms" the moment they editorialize content, they become publishers. Platforms are protected for obvious reasons, they cannot reliably contain every single thing a user posts, but a publisher dictates what is published, and is definitely liable for what they publish. These platforms want to be hybrids, but that gives them dangerous power to push agendas as they claim they are trying to stop.

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1. root_axis ◴[] No.23328917[source]
> The bigger issue is these platforms only get those free speech protections because they're platforms. The moment they start editing content like this, they become editors to a publishing platform, and they should be held liable for all that they've published. You can't just have your cake and eat it too, today they make you happy to censor the evil orange man, tomorrow they may censor those you support.

No, this is totally incorrect.

> No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider" (47 U.S.C. § 230)

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2. caminante ◴[] No.23331227[source]
I looked at the wiki for §230 of the CDA.

It appears that removing the liability shield for social media platforms[0] is a popular position for both Republicans and Democrats by a wide margin. Nothing has transpired, yet.

However, the §230 is nuanced. There's case law where the liability shield defense has been rejected. See the defamatory information issues [1] where the site merely editorialized the headlines and was deemed a publisher.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communicati...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communicati...