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Finnucane ◴[] No.23323695[source]
It's pretty obvious that DT is not going to shut down the very platforms he relies on for his political survival. Even he's not that stupid. Nor does he have any real regulatory authority that could be employed that wouldn't also bite him back. So this is just him trying to bully the platforms into letting him say whatever without being exposed to any criticism or being called out for bullshit.
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1. root_axis ◴[] No.23327127[source]
DT doesn't "rely on twitter for his political survival", any platform he goes to all his supporters would happily follow while gleefully trashing twitter on their way out the door.

> Nor does he have any real regulatory authority that could be employed that wouldn't also bite him back

I'm not convinced of that. Trump has repeatedly shown he is willing to exercise executive authority to the fullest extent possible and the courts have repeatedly affirmed his ability to do so. I'm not sure what kind of "bite back" you expect, but that kind of thing has never been an obstacle for Trump. At the end of the day I think you're right that he's bullying them, but I think it's wrong to believe that he won't actually go after them if they do not comply with his demands or at the very least retract the fact-check and praise him

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2. astronautjones ◴[] No.23327208[source]
> DT doesn't "rely on twitter for his political survival", any platform he goes to all his supporters would happily follow while gleefully trashing twitter on their way out the door.

they wouldn't, and even if they did it would be a helpful change. society's legitimization of twitter (a brand whose logo is on so many unrelated products, billboards, flyers, advertisements etc) is what makes his disinformation on that platform dangerous.

if he's siloed to somewhere that is obviously just for his supporters, it will have far less of a dangerous effect. people made the same threat about alex jones, and deplatforming him was absolutely a positive for society.

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3. root_axis ◴[] No.23328038[source]
> they wouldn't

I mean the influencers would never voluntarily cede a legion of followers but they'd absolutely and vocally support Trump if he moved to a different platform and all his fans would create accounts on that new platform if they didn't have one already.

> society's legitimization of twitter...

We're in complete agreement there, it's a tough cultural problem, not sure how we solve it without just teaching the next generation to be highly skeptical of social media platforms.

> he's siloed to somewhere that is obviously just for his supporters, it will have far less of a dangerous effect

I don't think it makes much difference, it costs nothing to just "exist" on twitter even if you engage primarily on a different platform, twitter would just become one of many targeted dumping grounds for all the crap they cook up in the silo. Honestly I'm surprised it hasn't happened already, but I think it's their next logical step, something like a mainstream 4chan.

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4. learc83 ◴[] No.23329532{3}[source]
>and all his fans would create accounts on that new platform if they didn't have one already.

I have plenty of family who are Trump supporters and not one of them has a Twitter account.

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5. root_axis ◴[] No.23329932{4}[source]
What's your point? Obviously not every Trump supporter has a twitter account, I'm talking about his twitter fans.
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6. learc83 ◴[] No.23331657{5}[source]
That he has a tiny number of twitter fans--too tiny to build a platform on.

He uses twitter because the influencers are on twitter. There's a reason he posts there instead of on his campaign website.

If he really thought leaving twitter wouldn't cost him anything, he would have done it already.

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7. root_axis ◴[] No.23332007{6}[source]
> That he has a tiny number of twitter fans--too tiny to build a platform on

He has 80m followers on twitter alone, that's ~20% of all twitter users, even if half of that followed him to a new platform it would be instantly legitimized, it doesn't have to be bigger than twitter to be a success. That's without considering all the ancillary support from Trump media allies who would direct all their fans to engage on Trump's new platform for the sake of freedom and free speech in America.

> If he really thought leaving twitter wouldn't cost him anything, he would have done it already.

I believe it's the next logical step. Twitter doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the media will report on whatever Trump says no matter where he posts it and his supporters will inevitably skip the reports and go directly to the source.

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8. astronautjones ◴[] No.23333073{7}[source]
It would be completely different and give his ridiculous nonsense an appropriate context. Think about how every NBA game, breakfast show, mayonnaise commercial, news outlet shows people's tweets to make people feel connected through social networking. It's hyper-branded as Twitter, as tweets. Fox news and OANN are not going to be able to give the cultural relevancy to kkknet or whatever they'd call their alternative.

Social media companies always act like they are completely guiltless in the rise of the harmful far-right, but these far-right people exploit their inventions to obtain cultural relevancy. The right truly struggles to create culture on their own

9. learc83 ◴[] No.23396723{7}[source]
>He has 80m followers on twitter alone, that's ~20% of all twitter users,

Many of his followers are bots, and almost 75% haven't logged in more than 120 days. I'd be very surprised if more than 10% of his followers were real and active.

>I believe it's the next logical step.

If it was that easy he would've done it already if just for the ego boost. Twitter is getting him something that he doesn't think he can get on his own.

>his supporters will inevitably skip the reports and go directly to the source.

Again, my family is full of trump supporters and none of them read his tweets directly.