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MintelIE ◴[] No.23285409[source]
Why don't companies come out and tell people what they're doing these days? Telemetry is getting to the point where people such as doctors and lawyers might be violating the law by using a modern computer. And people in the defense industry? Doesn't Apple employ thousands of forns? Who's audited their datasystems and ensured that this stuff stays private?

Much easier and better to just stop using it all and move to a system like Linux or BSD. 99% of people do everything in a browser these days anyhow.

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1. ancarda ◴[] No.23286398[source]
If only moving to Linux were an option for everyone.

The other day I tried for the 100th time to move to Linux. I installed a recent build of a maintained, popular distribution (no it doesn't matter which one - I have tried them all), on hardware that is famous for it's Linux support.

Everything worked for a day and a half, then the sound just fucking died. No input or output.

I get millions of people use Linux daily, and are happy with it -- I'm genuinely grateful that's a thing. I would love to also use Linux, but I really don't have the time to diagnose why it broke yet again.

Any suggestions for people stuck on macOS? I guess I could block all Apple domains in my DNS resolver? Other than app updates, I can't think of anything that would stop working. That still sounds less painful than trying to deal with Linux's atrocious UX.

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2. kgraves ◴[] No.23286431[source]
> Everything worked for a day and a half, then the sound just fucking died. No input or output.

my condolences.

3. gorgoiler ◴[] No.23286448[source]
Vagrant.

https://www.vagrantup.com/downloads.html

Spin up a Linux box in macOS and ssh into it directly. It is a true joy if you are comfortable working with text files (programming, admin, focused writing, etc.)

It will default to using VirtualBox as the underlying virtualization. That works a treat and hides all the GUI madness of VirtualBox.

However, if you open up VirtualBox then you can interact with the host you just created with “vagrant up” just fine, including using a graphical environment.

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4. ancarda ◴[] No.23286521[source]
I've never used that before, but it sounds a bit like Docker? As in, it's got a VM in the background and I can interact with it?
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5. gorgoiler ◴[] No.23286706{3}[source]
Technology aside, I would describe as being a bit more like an AWS instance, except it is running on your local machine.
6. nightowl_games ◴[] No.23286925[source]
Yeah I have a reload_alsa.sh script which reboots my audio. Basically the only problem I have. It's a shame, I know, but I still love my linux box.
7. brigandish ◴[] No.23287397{3}[source]
The authors of both Vagrant and Docker give answers to Should I use Vagrant or Docker for creating an isolated environment?[1] on StackOverflow.

[1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16647069/should-i-use-va...

8. jariel ◴[] No.23287906[source]
This answer misses the point in a really big way.

Until my mother can use Linux, almost nobody will.

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9. beagle3 ◴[] No.23287974{3}[source]
Lots of mothers already use Linux. Yours may be special in this respect but that does not imply much about anybody else.
10. markstos ◴[] No.23288099{3}[source]
Multiple mothers in my family use Linux. The volume and nature of tech support questions are often not OS-specific. Last issue I dealt with was a dusty DVD Drive that needed to be replaced.
11. 3pt14159 ◴[] No.23288278[source]
Personally I prefer VMWare Fusion for linux visualization. There are a number of tweaks that it comes with and I never really feel like anything is impossible. It may be poorly documented at times (custom networking, say) but it's all possible and it handles retina really well.
12. nine_k ◴[] No.23288616[source]
I had sound drivers die on me on famous brands laptops under Windows.

I had OSX lock up or lose any display on MBPs with NVidia chips.

On my wife's old windows desktop I had to plug a USB audio dongle, because of audio glitches.

Some of it is sloppy drivers, some, faulty or poorly designed hardware.

"Sound just died" is, unfortunately, not specific to Linux in any way.

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13. ancarda ◴[] No.23289005[source]
Sure, though I am describing my latest attempt in like 15 years of using Linux on and off. At some point "every OS has its problems" just stopped being true for me.

Linux really sucks for anything other than servers. I hate to say that because I badly wish it weren't true, but it is.

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14. ancarda ◴[] No.23289023[source]
I mean, sound not working is pretty user hostile too. But yeah, I have come to the conclusion Linux isn't right for me. Sadly neither is Windows, and macOS is rapidly getting worse.

Do you remember when computers were fun?

15. pjmlp ◴[] No.23289136{3}[source]
How could it be any different actually?

A Linux conference is usually focused on the Linux kernel, drivers, filesystems, networking, more or less everything POSIXy.

If you want to learn about improvements at the UI level, there are XDG, GUADEC, Kacademy, each focused on their own silo, and other parts of the stack or UI tooling don't have any at all.

Meanwhile WWDC, Google IO, BUILD / Ignite are about all levels of the stack.

16. robotbikes ◴[] No.23290768[source]
I've had good luck with System76 & PopOS, they put in the extra effort to make sure Linux just works on the hardware they sell and will respond to any tech support issues. Recently switched back to running Debian desktop on a older system and have ran into some intermittent sound issues that are frustrating, so I can relate but haven't had that kind of issue with any of the System76 laptops I've used.
17. m463 ◴[] No.23291248[source]
I got a purism laptop that has carefully chosen hardware. All the hardware has blob-free drivers.

It has worked very well for me. I originally installed qubes years ago, but it was all the security of vm/containers with 1/10th of the convenience. I switched to arch, it was a completely painless install and that's what I have now.

(hardware-wise it is more of the same - standardized screws on the case, 19v power adapter with standard barrel jack, socketed standard memory, m.2, sata)

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18. ancarda ◴[] No.23291392[source]
Yeah, I bought something similar to that. The entire machine can run off the Linux kernel with zero proprietary drivers. Unfortunately even that didn't help me with my bad luck so far.

I have decided to give up trying Linux, at-least for a few years.

19. mickotron ◴[] No.23294849[source]
Had various Linux distributions running on bare metal on my MacBook Pro 2011 for most of its life. It has barely had sound issues in that time. My Bluetooth headphones work best with my Linux machine, Windows 10 won't let me use both microphone and headphones together in a call. Absolutely atrocious, Windows.

Do you have an obscure sound card or something? With consumer grade hardware I have rarely had issues with compatibility. Well yes recently with wifi USB adaptors.

20. jatone ◴[] No.23301717[source]
odd personally i havent had those issue in about a decade for my custom desktop builds.

but in general if you want things to to just work (tm) use system76 or some other linux native vendor.