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2031 points jrk | 13 comments | 22 May 20 15:39 UTC | HN request time: 0.398s | source | bottom
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inimino ◴[22 May 20 16:08 UTC] No.23273586[source]▶
It looks like my time with MacOS is rapidly coming to an end. Any Linux distro recommendations these days?
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1. speedgoose ◴[22 May 20 16:17 UTC] No.23273689[source]▶
Windows 10 with WSL if you have a laptop.

Debian or similar or ArchLinux if you have a desktop.

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2. inimino ◴[22 May 20 16:24 UTC] No.23273783[source]▶
For reasons of personal prejudice, I'll never install any Windows version on any hardware I own. Debian was always my first choice back in the desktop linux days, and still is for servers, but I haven't looked at the landscape recently. It seems to have become more consolidated, which is not surprising but still mildly disappointing.

Edit: and WSL is not Linux

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3. yjftsjthsd-h ◴[22 May 20 16:27 UTC] No.23273834[source]▶
Depends on the laptop. I've had good experiences with thinkpads and business class Dells on Linux (and BSDs, for that matter).
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4. speedgoose ◴[22 May 20 16:28 UTC] No.23273836[source]▶
I understand but for laptops it's pretty bad these days if you want all features your laptop is providing, and a good energy management.

On mobile it's much better with Android, but Android isn't adapted to laptops. I haven't tried ChromeOS but it's pretty restricted from what I understood. WSL2 on Windows is Linux and it works great for me but I understand if you don't want windows in your life.

5. yjftsjthsd-h ◴[22 May 20 16:30 UTC] No.23273860[source]▶
> WSL is not Linux

It is Linux as of WSL2, it's just also Windows, so you lose many of the advantages that would make a person recommend Linux in this thread.

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6. lgl ◴[22 May 20 16:34 UTC] No.23273912[source]▶
Also my first choice for servers and have used it several times on desktop so Debian would also be my recommendation even for a desktop these days.

Plus, if you're already familiar with how Debian works it should be a no brainer. None of that Ubuntu or other Debian-derived distros with extra sugar and bloat and that many times differ from actual Debian in just the right way to keep you scratching your head.

Even Debian "stable" is pretty good for desktop these days which in the past was always notorious for having super outdated packages but has greatly improved in that regard. Obviously, "sid" is still also a good pick for a desktop if you really need to always run the latest of mostly everything.

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7. inimino ◴[22 May 20 16:36 UTC] No.23273936{3}[source]▶
TIL. But yes, for me, not having Windows installed is the primary advantage of any non-Windows OS.
8. inimino ◴[22 May 20 16:48 UTC] No.23274105{3}[source]▶
Debian still feels like home. Unless I try a BSD or something without systemd I think this is probably where I'll end up.
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9. inimino ◴[22 May 20 16:49 UTC] No.23274113[source]▶
Same.
10. speedgoose ◴[22 May 20 16:56 UTC] No.23274222[source]▶
Probably. My ThinkPad has so many issues and unsupported features according to the ArchLinux wiki that I don't even want to try.
11. lgl ◴[22 May 20 17:11 UTC] No.23274428{4}[source]▶
Well, Debian does use systemd by default now unless you want to go through some hoops to remove it (which I believe is still possible but not sure).

I personally have really no issues with systemd and now even go as far as completely removing the ifupdown, isc-dhcp-client, resolvconf and ntpd packages in favor of having my entire network stack configured by systemd-networkd, systemd-resolved and systemd-timesyncd instead.

It's pretty much a standard now across the board and I can't really find any arguments against it besides old habits so I've embraced it. Although it's obviously a bit opinionated, there is a good deal of functionality and flexibility on that thing.

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12. 3combinatorHN ◴[22 May 20 18:19 UTC] No.23275221[source]▶
>paying for windows to install linux
13. inimino ◴[23 May 20 05:49 UTC] No.23280281{5}[source]▶
> there is a good deal of functionality and flexibility on that thing.

That's also what seems worst about it. Unfortunately there seem to be few other choices these days.