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    MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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    1. marcinzm ◴[] No.23273386[source]
    If Microsoft wasn't doing ever worse privacy things with Windows I'd seriously look into switching away from Mac OS given the ever growing issues it's been having with every release.
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    2. lol768 ◴[] No.23273414[source]
    The set of possible operating systems to consider does not contain two items.
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    3. philwelch ◴[] No.23273432[source]
    Switch to Linux then.
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    4. wl ◴[] No.23273436[source]
    At least 10.14 is supported for now.

    It's really frustrating to see Apple make all these poor decisions and they almost never are willing to admit their mistakes and go back. In the rare case when they do (e.g. butterfly keyboard, Mac Pro), it takes them years to turn around.

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    5. nsxwolf ◴[] No.23273514[source]
    I find Linux to be a usability nightmare. Weird cut and paste behavior, difficult to resize windows, terrible trackpad support. macOS and Windows will have to get a lot worse before I switch.
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    6. C1sc0cat ◴[] No.23273774{3}[source]
    Why I prefer the three button UNIX style mouse style and I don't ever seem to recall having problems with windows resizing on UNICX an unixlike systems.
    7. Accacin ◴[] No.23273798{3}[source]
    I found at least in Gnome and KDE Plasma window management works pretty much just how Windows works. Cut and paste it just cut and paste - Do you mean how you can select text and use middle click on the mouse to paste without even needing to do anything but select?
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    9. tsukurimashou ◴[] No.23274190{3}[source]
    how many DE did you try? you have a variety of choices now, I would recommend trying a popular one such as Ubuntu / Elementary OS / Linux Mint

    You should get a very nice experience out of the box with these, which can be reproduced quite easily with less "bloated" distributions such as Arch or Gentoo if you prefer to install things yourself

    10. gfxgirl ◴[] No.23274301[source]
    It does depending on what software you want to run.

    There is no actually good alternative to Photoshop. gIMP is not remotely in the same league. Pixelmator and Affinity Photo are brought up but they're also like nano vs emacs. Photoshop doesn't run on Linux AFAIK. I'm sure for a graphic designer the same is true for Illustrator. The cheaper alternative exist and you can maybe get by but there's missing so many features.

    If you're into games there is really only Windows. Same for VR.

    I'm sure there are other categories.

    I did serious dev on Linux and that dev didn't require any games or apps so it was great and I loved it. It ran my editor of choice and otherwise I only needed a browser and a terminal. But as soon as I step out of that small subset it's pretty much MacOS or Windows only, at least for the things I want to do with my computer.

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    11. rrdharan ◴[] No.23274339{4}[source]
    There are two X clipboards. They are implemented differently (as in "ownership" model of the content) and the implementation bleeds out everywhere.

    You can't remove or change this behavior because some people love it.

    EDIT: FWIW the above statements are oversimplifying the situation of course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_selection

    And more here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/13585/how-can-i-use...

    Most fans of Linux will claim the fact that you can choose any number of clipboard managers to customize things to your liking is a critical aspect that draws them to the platform.

    Others among us (whether reformed or uninitiated) will commonly cite this same stuff as the reasons we avoid Linux on the desktop.

    12. ksec ◴[] No.23274408[source]
    That has been my view as well. It isn't Apple that is particularly good with anything Software ( I will give them they have an Edge in UX ). But Microsoft is just horribly bad every time I look at it makes macOS looks good.
    13. 650REDHAIR ◴[] No.23274842[source]
    Ew
    14. lostgame ◴[] No.23276329[source]
    Without WINE, and it’s associated instability, which operating system, other than MacOS or Windows, would run Ableton, Logic Pro, Adobe Premiere, or Final Cut Pro, all applications I depend on for my income and, due to the fact that my clients use this software, for which an FOSS equivalent or alternative doesn’t exist?

    Now imagine the millions of other people in my situation and rethink your comment.

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    15. mindfulhack ◴[] No.23278392{3}[source]
    I wonder how viable just running PhotoShop in a VM is these days, if you have the extra RAM and are OK with the extra minute to boot up the VM each time to use the program?

    VirtualBox has a 'seamless mode' as well, I wonder how well it works on a Linux host and a macOS/Windows guest.

    16. astronautjones ◴[] No.23279907[source]
    > it takes them years to turn around.

    or until they need something to throw out for investors. "dark mode" did not come about because of a technical breakthrough

    17. marcinzm ◴[] No.23282494[source]
    The other thread reply on this topic notes the reasons Linux is not considered a viable desktop replacement for many people.

    Personally I'd need to run a VM for a bunch of software or fight Wine. That's assuming my machine has the right hardware support for everything and even then the trackpad support is likely to not be great.

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    18. lol768 ◴[] No.23283462{3}[source]
    > Without WINE, and it’s associated instability, which operating system, other than MacOS or Windows, would run Ableton, Logic Pro, Adobe Premiere, or Final Cut Pro, all applications I depend on for my income and, due to the fact that my clients use this software, for which an FOSS equivalent or alternative doesn’t exist?

    > Now imagine the millions of other people in my situation and rethink your comment.

    The comment still holds. Linux should still be considered. I didn't proclaim that it would be a realistic alternative in every case, but I'd wager that for a large proportion of software engineering roles, it would be.

    Is there software that may also be suitable for basic image and video editing work and therefore fine for a subset of these creative professionals you refer to? Absolutely. I've seen great results from folks using Blender, Inkscape, OpenShot, GIMP, Krita and others.

    We shouldn't just dismiss an OS immediately, and that's what my comment was trying to get at.

    19. philwelch ◴[] No.23290319{3}[source]
    shrug I’m not gonna play a game of “why don’t you”/“yes but”.