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ddevault ◴[] No.23223542[source]
Google & YouTube employees on HN: how do you justify still working at this company? Enough of the cognitive dissonance. Face your choices and tell me how you square yourself with them. For shame.
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virvar ◴[] No.23223771[source]
How do you buy hardware? I’m genuinely asking because where I live it’s impossible to buy stuff that wasn’t made in China.

It’s almost impossible to lead en ethical life in this day and age if you do anything related to tech.

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1. ekianjo ◴[] No.23223837[source]
> I’m genuinely asking because where I live it’s impossible to buy stuff that wasn’t made in China.

So wait, now buying something that was made in China means condoning the CCP? That's a pretty big jump in logic.

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2. teknologist ◴[] No.23223929[source]
The CCP’s claim to legitimacy is based on continued economic growth in the PRC.

Buying made in China products supports this economic growth, and also the cheap, often exploitative, labor that went into producing them.

Besides, you should probably support the local manufacturing industry wherever you’re living.

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3. fastball ◴[] No.23223938[source]
Is it? You are effectively funding the CCP every time you purchase something from China.
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4. ekianjo ◴[] No.23224209[source]
I am paying my taxes to my government as well, does not mean I agree with everything my government does. When it comes to purchasing certain categories of items (like electronics) you have no choice but to buy something made in China, most of the time.
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5. shadowgovt ◴[] No.23224381[source]
Similar to the jump that working on the YouTube moderation toolkit is condoning the CCP, yes.
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6. throwaway511543 ◴[] No.23226012[source]
And democracy's legitamacy is derived from monkeys voting in a system rigged against them, after listening to false promises of growth. While still supporting cheap, often exploitative labor.

I mean, from your description, I'd rather want a system that actually shows continued growth, rather than hollowed promises of growth.

Let's be honest here, democracy's real growth had been going to war with nations and extracting/exploiting resources from them. Hence why the past 50 years, there has been no real growth in democratic countries because they are not able to as easily extract from the rest of the world.

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7. fastball ◴[] No.23226183{3}[source]
Yes, by paying taxes you are supporting the government you are paying your taxes too. And yes, this leads to paying for things you disagree with if you do not agree with some of your country's policies.

Hopefully, however, you have a voice (vote) in that government. The same obviously does not apply to you with China, nor generally does it apply to Chinese people within China.

You also generally have less choice when it comes to paying taxes, and significantly more choice when it comes to not buying things from China. If there are no non-Chinese alternative for X item, you can always choose to not buy X. However, that probably means not buying quite a few things, as you point out. But that was GC's point – it is fairly hard as a techie to not support the CCP. But just because something is hard to avoid does not mean you aren't doing it or aren't responsible for doing it.

8. fastball ◴[] No.23226324{3}[source]
What exactly are you defining as "real growth" in order to come to the fantastic conclusion that there hasn't been any?

I'm also fairly certain that the US (and other countries) have been warring a lot in the Middle East in the past 50 years, and many people claim that this is directly related to oil, an "exploited resource".

Has that not been happening either?

9. pgodzin ◴[] No.23226477[source]
Or any other department at Google apparently