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heinrichhartman ◴[] No.23221288[source]
This is the result of out-sourcing juristic work to private companies:

If we treat Android, Window, Twitter, Facebook, as public spaces/goods, then private companies should not have a say in what is allowed/not-allowed on their platforms. This is work for the courts and police to decide and enforce.

If we treat those platforms as private. Then we are playing in s/o's backyard. You are totally at their mercy. They have every right to kick you out if they don't like your face. It's their property. You are a guest.

I think we need constituted digital public spaces and platforms with:

- democratic footing (users are in charge)

- public ownership

- division of power (politicians =!= judges =!= police)

- effective policing

In such a system it would be for independent courts to decide which Apps can be distributed and which not. Those courts would be bound to a constitution/body of law, which applies to all parties a like.

Yes, this will be expensive. Yes, you will have to give up some privacy. But you will be a citizen in a society, and not a stranger playing in a backyard.

Maybe the current platforms can be coerced into a system which approximates the above. But I have my doubts. I hope in 200years people will have figured this out, and will look back to this age as the digital dark ages.

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scarface74 ◴[] No.23221572[source]
You really trust the US court system to be impartial?

Should Apple/Google be forced to carry pornographic apps? White supremacists apps? Apps that invade people’s privacy? Which government should hold this responsibility? Should we have an international committee deciding this?

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chroem- ◴[] No.23221719[source]
Please stop. The more we play this tit-for-tat game of political point scoring, the more it causes the whole system to degenerate. It is corrupting every facet of our society, to the point at which we're no longer able to be objective about life and death matters like the current pandemic.
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hoorayimhelping ◴[] No.23221864[source]
You stop. Stop using $current_panic to justify trampling the parts of the constitution and the parts of the system you don't like. These are legitimate questions that need to be answered or we'll just be in a worse place in the future.

It's so transparent; any time there's some crisis, whether it's terrorism or guns or drugs or a pandemic, there are always people calling for us to ignore the actual issues of our system and ram some "fix" through because this time, no seriously, this time it's life or death and we have to act.

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1. chroem- ◴[] No.23221910[source]
?

I'm largely agreeing with you. My only point is that we shouldn't allow courts and corporations to become politicized.

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2. scarface74 ◴[] No.23221952[source]
Isn’t it a little - like 200+ years - late for that?
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3. chroem- ◴[] No.23222012[source]
We're approaching levels of hyperpartisanship not seen since the civil war. I don't think this is a healthy state of being for our country.
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4. scarface74 ◴[] No.23222111{3}[source]
You think we all got together and sung Kum Bah Yah after the Civil War? Are you forgetting about the segregation? The Civil Rights Movement? Vietnam?
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5. ravenstine ◴[] No.23223016{4}[source]
Are you arguing that there haven't been varying levels of unity and partisanship within American history?
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6. scarface74 ◴[] No.23223072{5}[source]
As long as you ignore minorities and/or non-straight people.