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mydongle ◴[] No.22975056[source]
Like one greyed out poster said, no one cares - about Asian Americans in the U.S. There is likely no other minority group where if something like this were occuring against them, that it would just be accepted. Hell, it wouldn't even be up for debate. Yet with Asians, here we are. No one being fired or cancelled, no action being taken, no one going to bat for Asians in this country like they would've if it were an African American, Mexican, or other minority group.
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1. undefined1 ◴[] No.22975115[source]
It seems like crab mentality at work. Pulling down those that succeed the most.

Asian Americans are top performers, both in academics and income:

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizat...

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2. mydongle ◴[] No.22975143[source]
It's really not just academia where this occurs. In Hollywood and in everyday life, it seems to be acceptable for people to make fun of/mock Asian cultures, whereas they wouldn't (or they would think twice about it) do the same with most other minorities. I think the problem is that there's no repercussions to shit talking and stereotyping people who generally avoid trouble. What will it take for people to respect Asian Americans the same way that other minorities are respected?
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3. whatshisface ◴[] No.22975257[source]
I would argue that "don't make fun of Asian culture" would make being around it awkward and make people feel like they were walking on eggshells. Everything is lambasted in media from politics to food culture, and it's normal for familiar things to be made fun of. The more familiar they are, in fact, the broader the appeal there is in making fun of them. I might suggest that introducing "endangered species status" to any culture that doesn't have it would be a step away from familiarity and towards alienation.
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4. mydongle ◴[] No.22975294{3}[source]
Asian people are already alienated. Getting to the position where other minorities are would be a step closer to acceptance in American society, no?
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5. whatshisface ◴[] No.22975609{4}[source]
I think it's more of a situation where group A has problems x y and z, and group B has problems f g and h, and you're saying "boy I sure wish group B could get in on some of that sweet x y and z."
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6. mydongle ◴[] No.22975888{5}[source]
We are not better off as a group that's socially acceptable to disrespect and hate on in American society. There is nothing to be proud of for that. Why can't Asian Americans ask for the same exact treatment American society gives to other minorities? Why do you talk of that treatment as a negative thing? It's good that people can't freely say the N word when speaking of African Americans. Do you disagree?
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7. keanzu ◴[] No.22976853[source]
Better to be part of mainstream society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiJ_2q3RzM4

8. adchari ◴[] No.22978845[source]
The top performer attributes are also interesting, the majority of Asian immigrants come to the US with a technical job, resulting in children who tend to succeed in similar subjects and overall, as their parents are an easy role model, and are relatively well off.

This, of course, can be attributed to things like the Chinese Exclusion Act, etc., which made it extraordinarily hard to immigrate to the US from Asian countries, so only well-off and educated individuals could get here.

9. whatshisface ◴[] No.22979260{6}[source]
But nobody wants to be treated like a minority, in any society you want to be treated normally.
10. frog_squid ◴[] No.22981426[source]
Yes, for other minorities, instead of observing the rise in the educational and financial success of Asian Americans and using it as a motivational example, in some ways what Asian Americans took away from Jewish success in America, they point to Asian Americans being too competitive and try to enact racist quotas so Asians only compete with one another.

They took the easy way out. They can make a huge movement out of going into their own communities and educating their members on the value of hard work and knowledge and encouraging their own kids to excel from a very early age in the same way asian parents do. They can attach an underdog narrative to it and show the world that through sheer motivation and will power they were able to, as a community, in a couple generations, rise up and improve themselves in a radical way. Instead they allocate their time to protesting and complaining that the system is unfair.

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11. bsanr2 ◴[] No.22988106[source]
As explained throughout this comment section, much of success in America can be attributed to network affects, which are susceptible to social bias. That is the reason we talk about "Asian" and "Jewish" success, and not the success of individuals who happen to be Asian or Jewish.

Every group that becomes successful shuts their networks to black and brown people who are the descendents of the either de jure or de facto 2nd class. Asian startup founders do not take black people as business partners. Jewish academics do not mentor black students. White country clubs are still generally closed to everyone.

Cura te ipsum and all that.