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1. void445be54d48a ◴[] No.22771233[source]
The amount of people trying to defend Amazon in this is absolutely staggering. The amount of people trying to protect what Amazon stands for is revolting. If you are one of these kinds of people you should know that you are the enemy of treating people humanely.
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2. jariel ◴[] No.22772312[source]
People are contemplating reality, not defending anyone.

Zero of the grocery stores I have visited have gloves or masks on, so why aren't people wailing about them?

N95's are actually useful for reducing spread in public places despite that the government is telling people 'no masks' - it's even more aggressive propaganda that Amazon's lack of maks policy because it's frankly a lie. The systematic objective is to get the N95's to healthcare workers leaving only cloth masks for the public, which is not necessarily going to help hance the finality of the 'don't bother with any masks' policy. It's point-blank internal affairs wartime propaganda, straight out of the movies.

Amazon workers are not more special than the grocery store, or pharmacy workers, none of whom get masks, because they're all going to the medical staff who need them considerably more.

The staffer should not have lost his job but someone should have explained 'what's up' to him.

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3. AndrewUnmuted ◴[] No.22772465[source]
> you are the enemy of treating people humanely

As opposed to, what - exactly? This is quite a forced dichotomy you are presenting here, and I really don't think it is helpful, nor informative. I would expect this kind of commentary on Twitter, but I would have had a higher standard for HN.

Twitter makes money off of lighting fires under its users' asses, as does much of the media today. What you are doing here is trying to protect what THESE companies stand for. I find that to be much more revolting than those who are defending Amazon.

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4. joshl325 ◴[] No.22772476[source]
Yeah, I'm surprised how this post doesn't make HN front page. Because of the number of people downvoting this post?
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5. viklove ◴[] No.22773014[source]
> As opposed to, what - exactly?

Putting profits over people. Which is what capitalism, and as a result, American corporations end up idealizing.

You really think Bezos gives a shit about some warehouse worker? Over generating more profit so he can be richer? I've got news for you bud.

> I really don't think it is helpful, nor informative

Only if you want to protect monied interests, or you're one of those temporarily embarrassed billionaires...

6. viklove ◴[] No.22773041[source]
> Zero of the grocery stores I have visited have gloves or masks on, so why aren't people wailing about them?

They are!

> government is telling people 'no masks'

People are calling out the government too...

It always surprises me how quickly HN commenters want to jump to the defense of rich corporations and billionaires.

> The staffer should not have lost his job

But he did, because Jeff Bezos is greedy and has no regard for human life.

> because they're all going to the medical staff

Not true, in fact Amazon was contemplating donating their stockpiles to police forces for good PR.

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7. malandrew ◴[] No.22773463[source]
These types of pleas to emotion really should be saved for other social media venues like FB, Twitter and Reddit.

Defend your position with facts instead of ad hominems (e.g. "you are the enemy").

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8. void445be54d48a ◴[] No.22773695[source]
Ahh yes, the higher standards of HN, such as this post you have made in response to mine. Really powerful critique.
9. void445be54d48a ◴[] No.22773717[source]
If you want to be a sociopath or a robot free of emotions, be my guest. The rest of us live with having emotions. Sorry to tell you that, it's part of what makes people human.
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10. void445be54d48a ◴[] No.22773740[source]
I don't know, there's a lot of people who are actively defending Amazon's position and I don't think it's really just casual contemplation in a lot of instances.

It's just not hard to see that these companies are not doing very much to take care of the people who are making these warehouses run, because they are considered to be expendable or replaceable. That's pretty shitty!

11. jariel ◴[] No.22773797{3}[source]
No - grocery workers are not wearing masks at scale. That there might be a few here and is irrelevant - they are broadly NOT wearing masks, which is the national policy.

The current national strategy is to get the masks (particularly N95s) to the frontline workers, some of whom are running out of PPE while having to enter and work in hospitals full of COVID patients.

This 'blame the rich' populism is irresponsible.

Amazon workers are currently following the same recommended national strategy - which is the responsible action.

If they were all wearing N95s, the 'blame the rich' crowd would be screaming that 'Amazon is taking away needed resources form medical staff'.

>>>>> "People are calling out the government too..."

No. They are calling out 'no cloth masks' policy, they are not calling out the 'get medical workers the N95s' policy.

>>>>> "because Jeff Bezos is greedy and has no regard for human life."

Rubbish sensationalism.

>>>>> "fact Amazon was contemplating donating their stockpiles to police forces for good PR."

1st - They didn't. So this point is not relevant. 2cnd - Donating materials to responders is a 'good thing'. It's ridiculous to split hairs and say 'it's immoral to give to police but not hospitals' 3rd - You have no evidence that their only motivation for making said donation was 'PR' and not 'Goodwill'. You're making up facts.

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12. d1zzy ◴[] No.22774112[source]
Maybe that should tell you that they may have some valid points that are worth considering.
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13. d1zzy ◴[] No.22774127{3}[source]
It's one thing to have emotions, it's another to make emotion driven policy decisions. Policy outcomes depend on physics, not on our wishful thinking. If someone has good arguments that ignore emotions it doesn't make their arguments worse or weaker. What you should then do is consider their arguments and propose something that still largely addresses those issues but also addresses the emotional parts that you seem to care about.
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14. void445be54d48a ◴[] No.22774195{4}[source]
I'm not convinced that a good argument of ethics and empathy could be made without emotions. The whole point of this entire thread is about having empathy for the situation of the workers, which Amazon as a company does not seem to have. If you think you can have an emotion-free Logic And Reason argument involving empathy, I would love to hear it!
15. void445be54d48a ◴[] No.22774239[source]
Haven't seen them yet. Please point me to the valid points worth considering. Thanks in advance
16. thdespou ◴[] No.22774489[source]
HN trolls show their real face.
17. viklove ◴[] No.22798275{4}[source]
> grocery workers are not wearing masks at scale

I never said they were

> they are not calling out the 'get medical workers the N95s' policy

Why the hell would anyone call them out for wanting to get masks to medical workers? Medical workers should have masks, but that does not mean the public should not also have masks. People are rightfully calling them out for telling the average Joe to not wear a mask, but for some reason people like you are worried about the poor helpless corporations.

> This 'blame the rich' populism is irresponsible.

The only reason we can't produce enough masks domestically is because "the rich" have exported most of our production capabilities out of the country, so they can increase their margins and hoard more wealth. Bringing this to light is not irresponsible, the decisions that the wealthy in this country have made on its behalf is what's irresponsible, and there will be a reckoning.