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t0mas88 ◴[] No.22736717[source]
The whole torrent of grey area, just over the line and outright shady behavior at Zoom is a problem in itself even if all the separate instances in isolation aren't grounds to stop using them. Their responses to security issues and today's revelation of misleading marketing on E2E encryption make it clear they're not just making isolated mistakes. Shady is at the core of how they operate, this is an indication that Zoom has a company culture of accepting borderline behavior. Otherwise it wouldn't be so widespread.

As a customer this is a reason for me to stop using Zoom. Not in the last place because I'm quite sure we're only seeing the public tip of the iceberg of all the unacceptable things happening within Zoom.

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capableweb ◴[] No.22736799[source]
Unfortunately, the current system and people in power seems to not give a damn about security and shady behavior, as long as the thing they are using is working and working well. Zoom is an example of very useful and performant software with shady company behind it, that's why people will continue using it.

Same with Uber, Google and bunch of other companies. It doesn't matter what they do, as their product is helping people enough for people to look past the terrible things.

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mikorym ◴[] No.22737789[source]
I think you underappreciate one point here: We can still have long term alternatives to Zoom (and we can have them now).

Google and Uber are already difficult to replace or to otherwise challange.

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1. ForHackernews ◴[] No.22737974[source]
Uber is trivially easy to replace with Lyft or $generic-taxi-app.
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2. minhazm ◴[] No.22738345[source]
Lyft only operates in US and Canada. Uber is available in 63 countries. The convenience you get just having that one Uber app work is not easily replaced. But yeah you could always try to find the local ride sharing companies app, but it can be far less convenient.
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3. aembleton ◴[] No.22738491[source]
How do you persuade enough taxi drivers to use $generic-taxi-app in enough areas to make it worthwhile for someone to choose to use it instead of Uber?
4. ForHackernews ◴[] No.22738721[source]
Only a tiny minority of wealthy people frequently travel internationally. This is not a major selling point that will save Uber.