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DyslexicAtheist ◴[] No.22662212[source]
I don't want to diss an effort made with good intentions. though this is like using duct tape on fatally flawed design - it doesn't solve the problem. We're dealing with an inherently hostile company which aggressively uses dark pattern, ignoring privacy and security best practices. Not only are they ignoring these things they actively bypass the security control on the host-system where it is installed - this is literally what malware does. You don't put duct tape on malware so it works better for you!

If they would be a Chinese company they'd be banned and probably even sanctioned. Stop using this shit and stop justifying its use just because your employer makes you use it. Grow some balls (or eggs) and speak up naming it for what this is (malware) - so that we can all have nice things and not be forced to engage in endlessly justifying ourselves because "team or company XYZ is using it too and it works great for them ..."

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1. neuronic ◴[] No.22662461[source]
I just posted the related issues to my companies working-remote channel to raise awareness, because lots of us AND our clients suddenly began using Zoom. We are in Europe, so the laws are quite different.

So far, the response as been zero (it's been an hour) but let's see. Maybe I can make some coworkers and clients be more wary of Zoom.

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2. DyslexicAtheist ◴[] No.22662872[source]
thanks for speaking up. this takes a lot of guts and I hope you get your colleagues attention. forcing a tool like this on employees is a betrayal of trust and could also have devastating effects on their motivation.
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3. dx034 ◴[] No.22662897[source]
What are the issues exactly? I've also been using it but so far haven't heard of privacy concerns that are unique to Zoom? Obviously, P2P should be preferred but it's really hard for this to work with larger groups, esp if some have connectivity issues. Zoom just shines here.
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4. anon102010 ◴[] No.22662930[source]
What is the actual current issue
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5. DyslexicAtheist ◴[] No.22663077[source]
see yesterday's thread in general but especially this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22657605
6. DyslexicAtheist ◴[] No.22663090{3}[source]
extensively discussed yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22657384