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929 points ameshkov | 5 comments | 15 Jan 20 19:48 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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dman ◴[15 Jan 20 21:11 UTC] No.22058629[source]▶
Brendan Eich has a helpful chart of Compensation of Highest paid executive at Mozilla vs Firefox market share over time.

https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217512049716035584/p...

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throwaway123x2 ◴[15 Jan 20 22:02 UTC] No.22059260[source]▶
It's crazy how much FF's marketshare has dropped. It's such a great browser.
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pier25 ◴[15 Jan 20 22:35 UTC] No.22059567[source]▶
Hmm I don't know. I switched to FF 4 months ago and while the engine and dev tools are great, it's simply not as polished as the competition.

For example just look at the alert popups[0], or the non native contextual menus, or the video pop icon. The UI is full of little quirks like that. The tab bar is by far the ugliest one of all current browsers, at least on macOS.

It also misses important features such as multilingual spell checking. For people writing in multiple languages it's a real PITA. I know this functionality can be added with an extension but it slows down FF too much IMO.

[0] https://imgur.com/lODjWSm

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madeofpalk ◴[15 Jan 20 22:37 UTC] No.22059585[source]▶
I think that alert's design is actually a _feature_. Safari made a similar change a while back not make the alerts look like system UI, to prevent phishing and similar attacks.
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pier25 ◴[15 Jan 20 22:50 UTC] No.22059695{3}[source]▶
My point is not that it doesn't look native... It's a neglected part of the UI.
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gmanley ◴[15 Jan 20 23:15 UTC] No.22059905{4}[source]▶
The person you responded to specifically explained that. It's made to look non-native on purpose so that users don't think a pop-up, phishing, asking for their password, is a native system prompt. Safari did the same thing. It's not that it's neglected, quite the opposite, actually.
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1. pier25 ◴[15 Jan 20 23:28 UTC] No.22060002{5}[source]▶
The Safari alert doesn't look native and yet it looks polished.

https://imgur.com/rvsjJtO

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2. gmanley ◴[15 Jan 20 23:44 UTC] No.22060129[source]▶
Personally, I don't think the Firefox version looks any worse than the Safari version, they're just different. It comes down to preference. Just like you saying it's the ugliest tab bar which I very much disagree with.
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3. pier25 ◴[16 Jan 20 00:03 UTC] No.22060278[source]▶
Sure, aesthetics is ultimately a subjective thing, but that's not what I'm saying.
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4. gmanley ◴[16 Jan 20 00:14 UTC] No.22060359{3}[source]▶
It's not? That's exactly how I've been interpreting it. Objectively, how is the Safari version better? Other than subjective design.
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5. pier25 ◴[16 Jan 20 01:54 UTC] No.22060959{4}[source]▶
When I say polished I don't mean a polished visual style in an aesthetic sense. What I mean is that a designer has put some work on a UI element and after some iterations there has been a conscious decision over why an element looks the way it looks.

For example, one of the major considerations when doing UI design is creating elements that have a cohesive style (regardless of which aesthetic style that is).

None of that happened on that god forgotten alert. It's probably the first thing that someone came up with in a rush, in a style that no other UI element of FF shares, and it has stayed like this probably because nobody cares.