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Mozilla lays off 70

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929 points ameshkov | 16 comments | 15 Jan 20 19:48 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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dman ◴[15 Jan 20 21:11 UTC] No.22058629[source]▶
Brendan Eich has a helpful chart of Compensation of Highest paid executive at Mozilla vs Firefox market share over time.

https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217512049716035584/p...

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paul7986 ◴[15 Jan 20 22:16 UTC] No.22059384[source]▶
Seems odd in his tweet he noted he was unable to get funding in the valley for Brave. The guy created JavaScript and was a creator of Firefox. Don't get it ..as JS alone has contributed like how much to world economies, as well to almost every HN reader's wallet/bank.
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core-questions[dead post] ◴[15 Jan 20 22:23 UTC] No.22059460[source]▶
He got cancelled for not supporting gay marriage. Nothing he has actually personally done or will do matters in this new moral calculus.
1. YorickPeterse ◴[15 Jan 20 22:32 UTC] No.22059547[source]▶
If I remember correctly he didn't get fired for just not supporting gay marriage, he got fired for donating to some bill that was trying to prohibit gay marriage. That's quite the difference.
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2. Polylactic_acid ◴[15 Jan 20 22:52 UTC] No.22059703[source]▶
Understandable he had to go. Not many people would feel comfortable supporting a product where the profits go in to restricting their human rights.
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3. core-questions ◴[15 Jan 20 23:29 UTC] No.22060009[source]▶
I don't see that as being very different. Why is him exercising his protected right to political speech in donation form subject to your judgement when it doesn't have any impact on the quality of the software he gives you for free?

Did he say "gay people can't use Firefox"?

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4. jcranmer ◴[15 Jan 20 23:29 UTC] No.22060013[source]▶
He was forced to resign (the Mozilla board was actually in favor of having him stay on) for having donated to a group supporting an anti-gay-marriage bill 3 years before he became CEO. And, as far as I am aware, not giving any further indication of support in the intervening 3 years.
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5. bscphil ◴[15 Jan 20 23:41 UTC] No.22060104[source]▶
> Why is him exercising his protected right to political speech in donation form subject to your judgement

Because it has an impact on whether I can marry my partner.

6. codezero ◴[15 Jan 20 23:53 UTC] No.22060211[source]▶
I think that it was less about the end-user as it was about the gay people working for Mozilla who felt uncomfortable working with a CEO who took the actions Eich took in his past. One cannot know peoples' private thoughts or biases, so folks often take what ever signal they can get.
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7. Polylactic_acid ◴[16 Jan 20 00:06 UTC] No.22060301{3}[source]▶
Its exactly the same as avoiding a company which uses slave labor in some 3rd world countries. No one wants to be funding these actions.
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8. core-questions ◴[16 Jan 20 00:52 UTC] No.22060610{4}[source]▶
You're seriously likening the inability of gay people to go through the motions of a marriage ceremony to children being subjected to slave labour? That's the falsest equivocation I have ever read.
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9. BrendanEich ◴[16 Jan 20 01:09 UTC] No.22060706[source]▶
Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22060643.
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10. BrendanEich ◴[16 Jan 20 01:10 UTC] No.22060716[source]▶
Hi jcranmer, please be careful. Prop 8 passed in 2008, almost six years before 2014 when I was CEO. Also, neither of us can say (for different reasons) whether I was forced, and if so, by whom. Mozilla is clear that it did not fire me, nor could it have legally:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22060643

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11. jcranmer ◴[16 Jan 20 02:08 UTC] No.22061049{3}[source]▶
Oops, sorry, for some reason I thought the changeover happened in 2011. Must be getting old...
12. Polylactic_acid ◴[16 Jan 20 02:56 UTC] No.22061294{5}[source]▶
I'm comparing avoiding a company because of human rights issues with avoiding another company because of human rights issues. Its understandable for a well adjusted person to not want to fund either of these things.
13. paul7986 ◴[16 Jan 20 04:30 UTC] No.22061696[source]▶
Saw another comment that was deleted that you grew up in Pittsburgh and MD. Where in MD? I grew up in Towson, Bel Air and now on the MD/PA line.
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14. BrendanEich ◴[16 Jan 20 07:15 UTC] No.22062290{3}[source]▶
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22060616

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22061643

15. modo_mario ◴[16 Jan 20 13:37 UTC] No.22064356{5}[source]▶
>You're seriously likening the inability of gay people to go through the motions of a marriage ceremony to children being subjected to slave labour? That's the falsest equivocation I have ever read.

I'm not too familiar with the US and it's laws but doesn't marriage have an impact on legal matters, benefits and taxation? I know for example that here I can't get a higher loan based on a higher percentage of my income because i'm single and the bank is limited in how it can lend out the money it lends from a state entity.

16. baud147258 ◴[17 Jan 20 17:45 UTC] No.22077071[source]▶
That's an entirely disingenuous way of putting this situation. Mozilla's profits are NOT the salaries of its employees - the profits are AFTER payroll. It was Eich's personal money, not Mozilla's money, and there is absolutely zero implication that Mozilla itself had the same opinions as its CEO - nor should there be. If you draw that inference, it is because you're acting as part of Cancel Culture, which is totalitarian liberalism in action.