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dang ◴[] No.21830094[source]
This is an interesting story, but the thread so far is lame. Please do better. Low-threshold indignation makes for shallow, angry, generic, and therefore boring discussion.

The idea here is: if you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; if you don't, please don't comment until you do.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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istjohn ◴[] No.21831016[source]
If you're criticizing comments in the vein of this (now dead) comment, your critique misses the mark:

> This is what a functioning criminal justice system looks like. Meanwhile the co-founders of the opioid epidemic, which has killed at least 150,000 people, paid a few million dollars in fines. [0]

It's really inconceivable that an outcome like this Korean judgement would ever be reached in the US. 18 months of prison time for union busting? Meanwhile, the ACLU reports that Americans are being jailed to collect on medical debts [1].

Indignation isn't shallow or boring, it's the driving force behind social progress. Indeed, lack of indignation indicates either the inability to imagine a better world or perhaps the natural satisfaction with the status quo of someone who finds themself sitting on the upper rungs of society as currently structured. The latter no doubt describes many of us here.

We could have a nuanced conversation on the comparative virtues and shortcomings of the US and Korean justice systems, or we could downvote anyone who states the obvious into grey text oblivion and poo-poo them for their "shallow" indignation.

It's not intellectual sophistication to avoid mentioning pachyderms when conversing in the company of an elephant; rather, it's obtuse.

0. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21829200

1. https://www.aclu.org/report/pound-flesh-criminalization-priv...

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1. refurb ◴[] No.21831564[source]
As Dang said, indignation is boring. Great, you’re really upset how this doesn’t happen in the US (apparently).

That doesn’t add much to the conversation.

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2. istjohn ◴[] No.21831686[source]
See, an interesting response would explain why you don't think it's a problem that this doesn't happen in the US. It would refute my claim that indignation is the driver behind social progress. Or maybe it would point out that there have been instances of executives being jailed for white collar crime in the US. Consider Enron.

But instead of engaging with the ideas in my comment, you simply dismissed them as boring and insubstantial. This truly does not add much to the conversation. Next time, just downvote and move on.