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paggle ◴[] No.21829200[source]
Wow. This is what a functioning criminal justice system looks like. Meanwhile the co-founders of the opioid epidemic, which has killed at least 150,000 people, paid a few million dollars in fines.
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yellowapple ◴[] No.21829637[source]
> the co-founders of the opioid epidemic

Do you have more info on this?

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anigbrowl ◴[] No.21829673[source]
Read up the Sackler family and Purdue pharmaceutical.
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bilbo0s ◴[] No.21830144[source]
I wouldn't call Sackler's the founders of opioids if that's what you're saying. (I can't really tell if that's what you're trying to say?)

But around here, (where I live in opioid infested flyover country), it's pretty well known by people trying to handle the fallout that the Sackler companies produce about 8% of the nation's supply. About 80-82% comes from other corporations. (With about 10% coming from China, but you can never really know how much of the "China" thing is truth as opposed to propaganda these days? So the China part I'm not sure about, it's just what the generally accepted story is.)

Anyway, that's why the cops and emergency services around here are so angry. Because giving the Sacklers a fine and then saying you stopped opioids is a slap in the face to our community and others like it. It's like they actually believe we can't do math. Or that we won't notice that opioid overdoses are still happening.

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paggle ◴[] No.21830532[source]
Purdue is definitely the creator of the American opioid epidemic by lying about OxyContin's addictiveness and heavily pushing it for situations which didn't need it (wisdom teeth) and got people addicted. Read any of the ~10 mainstream books on this like Dreamland or Dopesick.
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1. bilbo0s ◴[] No.21831195[source]
None of that changes the fact that 80% of these opioids continue to flow, totally unchecked, from completely different companies. All of whom have lied about the addictive nature of their products. This is not supposition, this is fact. Just numbers. The opioids continue to flow. It's getting people angry because it's like the drug war when you bust the street corner dealer and then you say, "OK, everything is good."

No. Everything is not good. Get out here to places in the rural rust belt and take a look around if you think taking care of the Sackler source has solved this problem.

I'm not a tin foil hat type at all, but sometimes I do wonder if the people around here are right? I mean it's like some people up there are trying to keep this stuff flowing into our communities or something? People are refusing to even acknowledge the problematic nature of all these other companies. They won't even look into them. It's frustrating.

Seriously it's like, what's going on?

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2. bagacrap ◴[] No.21832198[source]
Clearly people in your community are addicted. The fact they're still being enabled is bad. It seems hard to fix. Meanwhile I think we should punish the Sacklers for causing the addiction in the first place, regardless of whether other pharma jumped on the bandwagon.

OP is actually stretching the truth to say they got away with a few fines as several states' AGs are still hounding the Sacklers for the money they funneled out of Purdue.

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3. bilbo0s ◴[] No.21833100[source]
OK and yet still, you're not doing anything to the people pushing 80% of the poison onto our communities? I mean really, are we supposed to thank you for that?

Maybe it would be more illustrative if I called it crack instead of opioids. You, in your magnanimity, are willing to show your concern for us by shutting down one of the twelve crack houses. And you expect us to thank you? Think of it this way, not one of you have mentioned, even once, doing a single thing about the other eleven crack houses on the block. Do you not see how we might have kind of a problem with that? You keep asking me to be happy about that crack house you shut down last year. Almost like you don't want me even bringing up the other eleven gangs slinging crack and killing people in the neighborhood.

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4. bagacrap ◴[] No.21837926{3}[source]
Why do you keep using the second person? I am not in charge of federal drug policy. You can lump me into a category that's neither "us" nor "them", thanks.

And the proper analogy wrt crack would be to hold the CIA accountable for unleashing it on urban communities, which is clearly never going to happen, but if it did, then yes I would expect it to satisfy/validate affected communities to some extent.

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5. bilbo0s ◴[] No.21838423{4}[source]
Well you're wrong. It doesn't satisfy us at all. But shutting down all crack houses would.