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847 points kick | 2 comments | 20 Nov 19 15:44 UTC | HN request time: 0.683s | source
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sneilan1[dead post] ◴[20 Nov 19 16:13 UTC] No.21585119[source]▶
The conversation about China has shifted from being relatively peaceful during the Obama years to war like today.

The author of this article doesn’t understand how the presidential bully pulpit slowly changes the national conversation to war.

Not to say that China isn’t violating human rights. They are. But we, the Americans, are the ones who started this fight by goading them on.

Also: the crux of the argument in this article is “trade is bad for the little guy because our jobs are gone” which is one of the memes our political establishment is using to get us interested in war.

Dear author, can you go deeper into why trade is bad for anyone other than the 1%? Something beyond a ramble and some half baked repetitions of what we hear every day?

1. johndevor ◴[20 Nov 19 16:17 UTC] No.21585171[source]▶
> The conversation about China has shifted from being relatively peaceful during the Obama years to war like today.

Just because the fight is now verbalized and on the forefront of the public's mind doesn't mean it wasn't already occurring, just not acknowledged. And I don't see the threat of war as being a serious one, given the nuclear deterrents of both sides.

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2. hdkrgr ◴[20 Nov 19 16:47 UTC] No.21585538[source]▶
Absolutely agree. Also, as a European, I can tell you that this perceived escalation is not an American phenomenon based on Donald's rhethoric. It's based in increasing perception of Chinese misdeeds in the West and around the world. And it's real in actual escalation of what China is doing.

In 2015, during the umbrella movement, there was discontent in Hong Kong over the taken-away promise of near-future free elections in 2017. In 2019 Hongkongers have their rights taken away NOW and are affected NOW. In 2019 we have a fairly accurate picture of what's going on in Xinjiang. The list could go on...