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diveanon ◴[] No.21190558[source]
Can we please start a cultural movement that forces large corporations to choose between appeasing Chinese censors and looking like fools to the rest of the west or getting banned in China.

Really seems like a win win scenario.

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nextlevelwizard ◴[] No.21190695[source]
How do you suppose this would be implemented? These things only affect a very small niche audience. Most people don't care what is going on in HK and even less people will care about this incident.
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diveanon ◴[] No.21190787[source]
I feel like social media is the best legal venue for it.

Start sending messages to every game dev, project manager, and director at these companies asking them why they support the totalitarian oppression of HK. Ask them what they are currently doing to limit the influence of totalitarian regimes on their corporate policy.

Make the issue personal for the companies by fomenting discontent from within.

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SolaceQuantum ◴[] No.21191492[source]
"Make the issue personal for the companies by fomenting discontent from within."

But the only options available to the employees from that point onwards is group organization (eg. unionization) which is itself politically controversial and prone to ruining their careers (see: google employees' organizing efforts resulting in the majority of the original organizers being foistered out of google) or leaving which puts their livelihoods in jeopardy as they abandon one of the biggest employers of their industry..

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1. diveanon ◴[] No.21195344[source]
Change requires sacrifice.

If people aren't willing to stand behind their beliefs at the risk of temporary financial hardship to support people putting their lives at risk to stand against a lifetime under tyrannical rule then they do not deserve the freedoms their country affords them.

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2. SolaceQuantum ◴[] No.21195588[source]
What happens if I have dependents? Should I sacrifice the wellbeing of my child with a medical condition? My spouse with their medical condition? Should I sacrifice my parents who need me to help paying for their care? What if I come from an impoverished neighbourhood and I'm putting my nephews and neices through college- should they also be sacrificed?

What happens if it's not temporary? What happens if I'm blackballed for my whole career?

Asking for sacrifice from the people who have the least amount of power as individuals, and the most to lose, when there is another option-- demand the sacrifice on the part of an unfeeling instution with no family just a C-suite and a board-- is borderline inhumane.

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3. diveanon ◴[] No.21195723[source]
What about the people who enlisted in the continental armies to gain freedom from British tyranny.

They had dependents, they had parents, they had the least amount of power as individuals. Yet they were able to defeat a world super power and usher in an era of personal freedom that swept the world.

A couple of employees having a difficult conversation and maybe writing a memo that starts a conversation in a tech company is not the same sacrifice as the ones made by the people who shaped the world we live in now.

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4. SolaceQuantum ◴[] No.21195879{3}[source]
The logical argument you are making re: these employees is to say that women and men should all enlist to fight the British Army and if they don't then the British Army is right to continue committing human atrocities on them.
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5. diveanon ◴[] No.21196116{4}[source]
The continental armies were entirely composed of volunteers who believed in the cause, so yes that is the argument I am making.

If you work in a company that has a presence in China, and you believe in the concept of inalienable human rights then these are issues you raise in a constructive manner in your workplace.

If you are unwilling to take that risk due to financial repercussions then so be it, but you are a coward.

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6. SolaceQuantum ◴[] No.21196360{5}[source]
"If you are unwilling to take that risk due to financial repercussions then so be it, but you are a coward."

Financial repercussions like losing healthcare for your children or spouse, whose chronic illnesses (At least 30% of the general population) may require medication costing thousands of dollars a month? Again, should the person's families and communities be sacrificed?