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1. UIZealot ◴[] No.21195135[source]
It helps to know a little bit about what's been going on in Hong Kong, before you all line up and take your daily dump on China.

It all started a few months ago when someone committed a crime in Taiwan and fled to Hong Kong. To prevent HK from becoming a safe haven for criminals, the Chief Executive of HK proposed a new law to facilitate extradition of these crime suspects from HK to various jurisdictions in the region, including Taiwan and mainland China.

The proposed law even explicitly stated that it's not applicably to crimes political in nature. But some HK people were nevertheless concerned that it might be abused by China to target political dissidents in HK.

So they have taken to the streets to protest that law. As a result, the law was quickly suspended before it had a chance to pass, and a few weeks ago the HK Chief Executive officially announced the withdrawal of the law.

However, despite the concession from the HK government, the protesters pressed on, demanding four more concessions from the government, chief among them universal suffrage, or the direct election of the HK Chief Executive, who up to this point have been nominated from a narrow pool of Beijing-approved candidates, then voted on by a committee.

It's not entirely clear that China even had anything to do with the proposal of the law which started this ordeal. But the protesters have been shrewd to paint a picture, to great effect, of big bad China stomping on the poor helpless people of HK.

What I cannot stress enough, is the rampant violence and destruction from these protesters, which has done this great city, and many innocent citizens, unimaginable harm. Feel free to support their peaceful protests, but please don't simply pile on and encourage these violence and destruction.

(EDIT: If anything I said is untrue, please correct me. Use the truth to argue your side, don't be a coward and hide behind your downvote.)

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2. NeedMoreTea ◴[] No.21195270[source]
> crime in Taiwan and fled to Hong Kong

There's a lot more to that story. Taiwan explicitly ruled out accepting the proposed extradition law, despite IIRC a HKer murdering their HK partner whilst on holiday in Taiwan.

> chief among them universal suffrage, or the direct election of the HK Chief Executive

You mean the promised universal suffrage of the Chief Executive that was written in the Sino-British agreement, and decades later has still not materialised.

I can see why that might be a sore point to the citizens of Hong Kong.

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3. UIZealot ◴[] No.21195352[source]
Reasonable people disagree on what exactly was promised in terms of universal suffrage.

Whichever way you lean, it's absolutely no excuse or justification for the violence and destruction.

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4. throwaway1997 ◴[] No.21195416{3}[source]
Name a country who democratised through entirely peaceful means. Hint: there aren't many
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5. UIZealot ◴[] No.21195591{4}[source]
India comes to mind.

Maybe you're right, there aren't many. But that doesn't make the violence and destruction right, that doesn't make the violence and destruction just.