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zwaps ◴[] No.21190952[source]
Then we have to boycott Hearthstone. While the current case is neither surprising nor substantially important, it is important because of principle.

Blizzard is not responsible for what players say in interviews. In our society, it still matters that people can tolerate other opinions.

The Chinese government tries to make it a new normal that entire people can have their "feelings hurt" (what?) by mere non-insulting opinions, and it tries to make it a new normal that all actors should censor any undesirable or potentially undesirable opinion.

If that is indeed the way, then our society and the discourse therein is no longer free, and the CCP has won.

We need to keep these firms in our mind. We need to keep a list of when this happens, and we need to sanction this as best as we can. Similarly, anyone standing up to censorship should have our support.

I can be pro HK, or I can be pro China, and I can voice opinions because doing so either way is an equally valid form of free expression. But it can not be that one side gets pre-emptively censored to appease the CCP, or any actor with the power to DEFINE the bar of what is reasonable expression of opinions.

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quotemstr ◴[] No.21192118[source]
Give me a break. When companies censor speech HN likes, it's all about how we have to boycott companies to preserve our society. When it's speech HN doesn't like, it's all about how censorship is actually good and that companies are just "showing people the door" via their freedom of association.

People around here need to make up their minds. If you want to object to censorship, great. But if you do, you need to do it as a general principle, and that means tolerating speech you don't like too. You don't get to just lean on freedom of speech selectively.

The hypocrisy of supporting corporate censorship against things you like and opposing it against things you don't --- well, it's breathtaking.

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1. bena ◴[] No.21194408[source]
I agree with this sentiment in the general.

I think people are just trying and failing to voice their actual feelings on the matter.

You could respect Blizzard's right to suspend the player for his opinion. And fully acknowledge that it is them showing him the door and all that.

You could also believe that Blizzard is on the wrong side in this conflict and withdraw your support based on that.

So you wouldn't be boycotting Blizzard for censorship so much as for supporting something you find wrong.

People complaining about "free speech" and "censorship" are complaining about the wrong thing here.