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rjzzleep ◴[] No.21191018[source]
Have we all forgotten when Mozilla replaced the CTO with a long history of internet freedom work to replace him with a marketing director and the disaster that followed?

Are we going to keep trampling on all our freedoms in the name of ... freedom(?) and then blame it all on China?

EDIT: I knew some people were going to try to spin it into something it wasn't.

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Steltek ◴[] No.21191038[source]
Was that the same lover of freedom that campaigned to take away the freedom of others?
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whatshisface ◴[] No.21191473[source]
If you think back to before gay marriage was accepted as a culturally obvious fact, some of the arguments against it involved hating gays, but others didn't. Without the ability to tell which beliefs actually motivated his donation, it is not possible to discern if he was against gays or not. (I'll refrain from giving any specific examples in order to avoid starting that debate again, but I think most of us can remember that time in fair detail.)
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groby_b ◴[] No.21192055[source]
It's kind of hard to say "you do not deserve to share your life with the person you love. You don't deserve to take care of them when they're sick. You don't deserve a family with them. Because you're gay" without actually hating gay people.

Just because you don't call for somebody to be killed doesn't mean you don't hate them.

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cicero ◴[] No.21192133[source]
There are very solid reasons for seeing marriage as a life-long commitment between a man and a woman for the purpose of providing a stable home for the children that they conceive that has nothing to do with hating gays. This is something humans have understood for thousands of years, but only in my lifetime we seem to have forgotten.
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groby_b ◴[] No.21192280[source]
No, there really aren't. The socioeconomic consequences of a couple are the socioeconomic consequences of a couple, no matter the dangly bits. We're not all having children.

It also turns out raising children also is not negatively affected by the parents being gay. (Plenty of studies on the subject, go read some).

Leaves actually having children. Is your argument that we all should breed? Then your argument is seriously broken, the world is about 300% over capacity already.

So, no - it's still rooted in hate. (Or fear, really)

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whatshisface ◴[] No.21192566[source]
You're providing counter-arguments against the correctness of the argument the parent suggested, but otherwise good people can believe incorrect arguments. You can't assume that someone was aware of all those studies, some of which have been conducted in the years since, and none of which are taught about in elementary school. It is not sufficient to demonstrate that the Mozilla CEO believed something incorrect, you also have to demonstrate that evil was the only explanation.
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damnyou ◴[] No.21193177[source]
This is a common misconception which reduces structural discrimination to individual resentment. In reality, it does not matter at all whether the actor had evil in their heart — it only matters what the effects are (ability to adopt, hospital visitation rights, ability to immigrate etc).
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1. erikpukinskis ◴[] No.21194128[source]
I agree with you, but this is a truly unpopular opinion.

People REALLY hate the idea that they’re responsible for things they haven’t even conceived of.

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2. whatshisface ◴[] No.21195852[source]
In your life, how do you handle the guilt for your countless unknowing political sins? Does it look exactly the same as what you would do if you didn't think you were guilty?
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4. erikpukinskis ◴[] No.21198921[source]
I don’t do much with the unknowing ones.

With newly known ones, I feel bad, and then I try to understand how I could be better.

I’m not sure I understand your question.