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rjzzleep ◴[] No.21191018[source]
Have we all forgotten when Mozilla replaced the CTO with a long history of internet freedom work to replace him with a marketing director and the disaster that followed?

Are we going to keep trampling on all our freedoms in the name of ... freedom(?) and then blame it all on China?

EDIT: I knew some people were going to try to spin it into something it wasn't.

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Steltek ◴[] No.21191038[source]
Was that the same lover of freedom that campaigned to take away the freedom of others?
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whatshisface ◴[] No.21191473[source]
If you think back to before gay marriage was accepted as a culturally obvious fact, some of the arguments against it involved hating gays, but others didn't. Without the ability to tell which beliefs actually motivated his donation, it is not possible to discern if he was against gays or not. (I'll refrain from giving any specific examples in order to avoid starting that debate again, but I think most of us can remember that time in fair detail.)
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groby_b ◴[] No.21192055[source]
It's kind of hard to say "you do not deserve to share your life with the person you love. You don't deserve to take care of them when they're sick. You don't deserve a family with them. Because you're gay" without actually hating gay people.

Just because you don't call for somebody to be killed doesn't mean you don't hate them.

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whatshisface ◴[] No.21192537[source]
In 2008 some people were against gay marriage without saying any of those things. At the time some arguments against gay marriage didn't involve being against gay people. One example would be the people who saw marriage and its attendant privileges as a reproductive subsidy. Yes, there are many reasonable ways to disagree that, but I'm not saying Eich was right - only that we don't have clear proof of any inner hatred. A nice, rational person can believe something that is realized to be untrue a decade later, that's just how science works. Even if you're 100% convinced that every argument in 2008 against gay marriage was false, that's still not sufficient to demonstrate that everyone who was against it was evil.
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1. erikpukinskis ◴[] No.21193994[source]
You’re talking about people who donated to campaigns to nullify the marriages of childless couples?
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2. BrendanEich ◴[] No.21211182[source]
No nullification. See next-in-time-order comment from me on this post.