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1. alimbada ◴[] No.21191021[source]
It's a shame but I feel like the majority of gamers won't care. They'll either be ignorant of this or they'll just shrug and continue playing. I boycotted Activision and by proxy Blizzard when Activision acquired them a long time ago but their continuing success shows I'm part of an extremely tiny minority.
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2. ehnto ◴[] No.21191050[source]
What was it about Activision that caused you to boycott them?
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3. propter_hoc ◴[] No.21191153[source]
Well, currently the Hearthstone and Blizzard discussion forums on Reddit are up in arms.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/blizzard

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4. abbadadda ◴[] No.21191228[source]
At this point it goes far beyond just gamers. From the NBA to Google, this effect is everywhere. To be explicit, the effect is U.S. firms letting China dictate what they do or do not care about on a global political scale.
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5. alimbada ◴[] No.21191266[source]
It was the CEOs attitude towards gamers and his derogatory comments about them as well as the way Activision treats/treated its developers. There was a lot of controversy around these issues and after reading quite an in depth article about it around 10 years ago I've avoided buying anything developed or published by Acti-Blizzard.
6. thedudeabides5 ◴[] No.21191273[source]
Seems like a modern kowtow. Relevant:

https://amp.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/article/1877753...

7. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.21191321[source]
> I feel like the majority of gamers won't care

The simultaneity of the NBA and now Blizzard so publicly siding with Beijing may elevate this out of the realm of commercial issues (subject to boycotts) into a political one.

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8. pimmen ◴[] No.21191354[source]
If the Western governments could maybe grow a pair and call out how this is very unfair maybe something would happen.

I work for one of the largest news publishers in the Nordics, and we were criticized for letting the CCP take out a full page ad in our largest newspaper that essentially said "no need for the Western governments to get involved, this is an internal issue that is best handled by us". Our editor in chief of that paper responded with this:

"Now we have the moral high ground. Until the Swedish government can take out a full page ad in The Global Times criticizing the CCP we can use this as one of many examples of how China does not value freedom of speech, but we do."

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9. vonmoltke ◴[] No.21191402[source]
> the NBA ... so publicly siding with Beijing

I must have missed something, because all the coverage I have seen is of Adam Silver publicly supporting Morey and Tsai. Additionally, the Nets cancelled a media event in Shanghai over this.

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10. cabalamat ◴[] No.21191430[source]
It should do. The West needs to decide whether it is going to stand for China being able to silence criticism of it in the West, or not.
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11. squarefoot ◴[] No.21191446[source]
If a game publisher can (whether directly or not) nuke the job of a journalist for a review and get away with it, I'm not surprised at all when a government does something along these lines.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/21/gaming-the-...

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12. boardwaalk ◴[] No.21191487{3}[source]
There is unfortunately a gaping hole where United States leadership should be and I don’t feel the companies or countries that used to be able to “follow the leader” have figured how to deal with it.

Good on your paper for having the some fortitude.

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13. dependenttypes ◴[] No.21191489{3}[source]
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21184008
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14. Fnoord ◴[] No.21191495[source]
Isn't that the guy who hates gamers? It wasn't difficult to figure out why people dislike him [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Kotick#Business_strategy...

15. cooljacob204 ◴[] No.21191499[source]
Yup, I'm cancelling my wow sub over this and read about it first on Reddit.
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16. mcny ◴[] No.21191500{3}[source]
It happened with a journalist on a gun magazine as well. Lifelong second amendment supporter blacklisted for not spewing exactly the party line. This makes me wonder whether the whole right to bear arms things is AstroTurf at this point.
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17. Beltiras ◴[] No.21191720{3}[source]
Cancelled and just sad I only had 500 characters to rake them over the coals with.
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18. EasyTiger_ ◴[] No.21191792[source]
Personally I've requested my account be deleted.
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19. MaupitiBlue ◴[] No.21191878[source]
Let’s not forget Marriot’s capitulation last year.
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20. hellcow ◴[] No.21192084[source]
I have as well.
21. peacelilly ◴[] No.21192181{4}[source]
> gaping hole where United States leadership should be

I've seen this exact wording a lot recently. Is this the new propaganda line everyone parrots? I must have missed the previous administration's strong stance on ANYTHING AT ALL dealing with international relations, besides killing people from the sky. When did the previous administration lead on anything and not just bow down (literally bowing) to international leaders.

Sorry, the gaping hole in leadership was filled with someone who cares about the USA.

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22. ahi ◴[] No.21192231[source]
r/blizzard is now locked down.
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23. goatinaboat ◴[] No.21192345{3}[source]
Or Gap https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/05/15...?
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24. kllrnohj ◴[] No.21192744[source]
> From the NBA to Google

You probably want to use a different example than Google here. Particularly since Google doesn't have a China presence because they refused to censor search results, and relationships there still appear to be less than solid to say the least. Your statement works with most U.S. firms, but very much doesn't at all for Google in particular.

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25. hdfbdtbcdg ◴[] No.21192806{3}[source]
What? What is happening there?
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26. flohofwoe ◴[] No.21192883{4}[source]
The last message I saw before it was switched to private was a message from the moderators along the lines that r/blizzard is not the right place to discuss politics, and that they'll ban people who post politics there.
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28. shadowgovt ◴[] No.21193140[source]
Nothing about the behavior of the average gamer, to date, should make any of us think they're going to lead the charge for much of any social change that involves distancing themselves from their favorite addic^Wgames.
29. shadowgovt ◴[] No.21193145{4}[source]
Do you have more information on this?
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30. shadowgovt ◴[] No.21193164{5}[source]
> the gaping hole in leadership was filled with someone who cares about the USA

[citation needed], I wouldn't trust the guy with international business interests to actually have America's best interests at heart over his own if the two don't align.

No real dispute with your criticism of the previous leadership though.

31. the_resistence ◴[] No.21193169{3}[source]
Goog has research labs in SH and elsewhere.
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32. shadowgovt ◴[] No.21193173{5}[source]
It's inconvenient for moderators of fora when the topic of the forum suddenly takes a political action, if they don't want politics discussed in their forum.
33. shadowgovt ◴[] No.21193198{3}[source]
Ironically, there's little the US government can do here without dragging things back towards the McCarthy era.

What would we have them do? Apply pressure to Activision/Blizzard to reverse the company's own internal policy on "keep politics out of the game stuff?" That's a pretty clear violation of freedom of speech, the press, and / or association, to tell a private company who they must endorse.

It's not unprecedented, but the precedents are very tightly bound (and often tied up in a justification based on use of very finite public resources, such as broadcast airwaves).

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34. mcny ◴[] No.21193231{5}[source]
Edit: his name is Dick Metcalf

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/business/media/banished-f...

https://archive.fo/v5b1x (use this link)

35. gowld ◴[] No.21193235{3}[source]
Google tried censored search (including spyware search) and was fought off, and tried again and was fought off, and may try again.
36. twno1 ◴[] No.21193247[source]
/r/classicwow too. Just saw this post and let me start to cancel my account.

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/dez4yc/breaking...

37. gowld ◴[] No.21193282{4}[source]
The NRA has clearly converted to an arm Republican Party.

The GOA competes with the NRA because they find the NRA more pro-Republican than pro-gun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Owners_of_America

I'm not sure if there is a gun organization that promotes more nuanced theory of partially-limited gun rights but not just shilling for a party.

38. gowld ◴[] No.21193303{4}[source]
That one is more likely a case of "islands are not part of a country, because disconnected components are hard", like the US "lower 48"
39. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.21193374{4}[source]
> What would we have them do?

We have laws prohibiting private actors from interfering with American foreign policy. And we have safe harbours for protected speech. Combining these two, narrowly, to apply to Hong Kong and Taiwan might thread the needle.

To get around First Amendment issues, it would have to be a law saying, in effect, private actors may not punish employees, contractors or members for expressing opinions connected to Hong Kong or Taiwan’s proto-democratic and democratic systems. (This would probably also require Congress recognise Taiwan’s sovereignty, which after Hong Kong looks necessary.)

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40. vonmoltke ◴[] No.21193479{4}[source]
Silver says that is not an apology[1], and the message quoted reads more like a diplomatic version of "Sorry this upset you, but tough shit". I'm not sure where the author of that opinion column got the idea that the message was an apology.

[1] https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/10/8/20904593/nba-china-co...

41. shadowgovt ◴[] No.21193973{5}[source]
"American foreign policy is we support Hong Kong against China" is something you'll be hard-pressed to find the US government in agreement on.
42. Nasrudith ◴[] No.21194024{5}[source]
Of course the first itself is largely hillariously unenforceable even a century ago because of global speech and the First Ammendment - which is a good thing.

I don't think that carve out would be constitutional unless it was even more broad. Say "personal capacity political advocacy is protected" so you could get fired for saying "<Company> supports Free Tibet" without proper permission/authority but "I, not speaking on behalf of <Company> support Free Tibet". Even that would open itself to damn uncomfortable side effects legally for a weatherman opening every broadcast with "I support the reestablishment of Rhodesia!" being protected as well.

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43. tremon ◴[] No.21194065{4}[source]
What would we have them do?

Amend the constitution to provide first-amendment rights to all individuals instead of just citizens, for example. Then you can go back to claiming the moral high ground.

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44. shadowgovt ◴[] No.21194171{5}[source]
I believe the First Amendment already protects the free speech of non-citizens. Do you have a specific case in mind that broke differently?

https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/t-he-constitutional-rights...

45. Gigablah ◴[] No.21194217{4}[source]
If merely hiring people in China is objectionable now, you have a really long list of companies to work through
46. bm1362 ◴[] No.21194467{5}[source]
How about the Iran Nuclear deal? Or is that a bad example?
47. danem ◴[] No.21194490{4}[source]
Doesn't look like he's siding with Beijing at all.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1181497808563658752

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrY6bKFVD3Q&feature=youtu.be...

https://streamable.com/b7ifu

48. danem ◴[] No.21194495[source]
Doesn't look like he's siding with Beijing at all.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1181497808563658752

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrY6bKFVD3Q&feature=youtu.be...

https://streamable.com/b7ifu

49. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.21194887{6}[source]
> the first itself is largely hillariously unenforceable even a century ago because of global speech and the First Ammendment

The Logan Act [1] has been on the books since the 19th century, though it remains Constitutionally controversial.

Broadly speaking, however, there is difference between punishing certain views and expanding public-sphere protections around free speech. The latter is done e.g. with union-promotion laws, which restrict companies' abilities to suppress certain kinds of union-organizing speech. That precedent could certainly be extended to this issue.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

50. kllrnohj ◴[] No.21195164{4}[source]
And yet they still have no consumer products in China, and still redirect search to Hong Kong, and still do not participate in any censorship efforts.

This should be applauded and supported, since it's pretty much what people want others like Blizzard to do as well. Google is much closer to a gold standard to follow with their approach to China than they are to being lumped in with the NBA or Blizzard.

51. RulingWalnut ◴[] No.21195360{3}[source]
Gerstmann's firing was widely reported at the time, he immediately turned around and created an influential gaming website that's still successful today, and Kane and Lynch didn't do well. Not a great example.
52. cthalupa ◴[] No.21196173{4}[source]
Yep. It's not much, but I cancelled and was quite explicit on why.
53. abawany ◴[] No.21198090{4}[source]
Businesses too: there has been massive hatred directed at Dick's Sporting Goods when it changed its arms sales mix in response to a large shooting last year [1]. Gun makers such as Springfield took heat for trying for stepping even a smidgen out of line [2] resulting in an abrupt volte-face.

[1] https://www.racked.com/2018/5/10/17339690/dicks-sporting-goo...

[2] https://gunstoday.com/why-is-everyone-boycotting-springfield...

54. cabalamat ◴[] No.21203142{4}[source]
> Ironically, there's little the US government can do here without dragging things back towards the McCarthy era.

Concentration camps are evil, and so is using prisoners as living organ banks. Furthermore, China is run by competent people and has a large economy growing faster than the West. They are a bigger threat than Nazi Germany or the USSR were. China has a serious chance of dominating the world over a 20-30 year timescale.

I don't want that to happen. If McCarthyism is what it takes to stop it, so be it; I would prefer that over having my organs removed while I am still conscious.