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nvahalik ◴[] No.21125093[source]
> Imagine if the US suddenly had a dictator

This is why we have the second amendment. And the constitution as the thing to which office-holders swear allegiance to rather than to "the party" or "the president".

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kristiandupont ◴[] No.21125139[source]
If HK'ers had a similar right to carry guns, do you honestly believe that they would be any better off right now?
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djsumdog ◴[] No.21126045[source]
You really can't protect yourself from a government in a stable State, because the State needs a monopoly on violence to exist. Even in America, the argument from 2nd amendment advocates, that guns help protect American citizens from their government is absolutely ludicrous.

There is no realistic way for Americans to stand up to the entire US State with violence. Not without some very wide spread belief in the failure of the state, believe that would probably be easier to get with non-violent protest (and it still wouldn't be easy).

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yonaguska ◴[] No.21127371[source]
Read up on the civil rights movement, specifically Robert F. Williams. You have a situation where blacks stood up to their local governments that refused to convict whites for lynching blacks, local governments that refused to protect blacks from white violence, where police actually sought to disarm blacks in the face of white lynch mobs with little to no federal oversight, and all the peaceful protests in the south, the diner sit ins, and the freedom riders were backed by armed black men and the threat of reciprocal violence. I think that counts as a successful instance of Americans standing up to not only their hostile government but their adversarial fellow Americans as well.
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jki275 ◴[] No.21127695[source]
You raise a very good point. And something else -- during this time, the US started to pass gun control laws. They were understood primarily to apply only to black men at the time.

This is the heritage of gun control in America -- racism and hate written down and codified in law.

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cwkoss ◴[] No.21128931[source]
The NRA advocated for gun control to disarm the Black Panthers. Gun control has historically been used to disarm minorities much more often than for public safety.
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yonaguska ◴[] No.21129518[source]
The NRA actually helped Robert F. Williams, from my parent comment, establish a gun club and donated rifles and ammunition. So while they helped with establishing the Mulford Act, they also supported the early civil rights movement. Not to defend them, but organizations aren't necessarily single minded in their actions.
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cwkoss ◴[] No.21129584{3}[source]
Thanks, I didn't know that. Will have to do some further reading tonight :-D
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1. jki275 ◴[] No.21132626{4}[source]
Charlton Hesston marched with MLK Jr. when it wasn't popular to do so. He was president of the NRA for a number of years recently.

There are people who have been trying to sell a bill of goods about the NRA and gun owners in general for a long time. It simply isn't accurate.