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Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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foobarian ◴[01 Oct 19 13:35 UTC] No.21125137[source]▶
Great Britain gave HK back to China. They can do with it as they please - unfortunately I don't see how the protesters can come out on the right side of this without a revolution.

Thought experiment: if say Rhode Island had a Muslim majority and they voted themselves Sharia law in violation of federal articles, how cavalier would the federal government / the rest of the populous be in tolerating this?

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pimmen ◴[01 Oct 19 13:52 UTC] No.21125297[source]▶
A better anaology would be if the US implemented extreme Sharia law, how cavalier would people who don't want to live like that be?

Hong Kong didn't choose the CCP who didn't even exist yet when the lease was signed. They sure as hell didn't choose to lose their rights to a fair trial and freedom of expression either. So, if you do a thought experiment about protests against the government, keep in mind that the government in question commits some of the worst human rights abuses today.

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UIZealot ◴[01 Oct 19 14:13 UTC] No.21125511[source]▶
> A better anaology would be if the US implemented extreme Sharia law, how cavalier would people who don't want to live like that be?

That's a very poor analogy. Hong Kong citizens already enjoy the benefit of an independent legal system and don't have to live like mainland citizens.

> They sure as hell didn't choose to lose their rights to a fair trial and freedom of expression either.

They sure didn't. And they sure haven't lost those rights.

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pimmen ◴[01 Oct 19 14:23 UTC] No.21125612[source]▶
The protest was about the prospect of losing those rights, starting with being subject to mainland laws through extradition. The protest has then expanded to being against the CCP undermining ”one country, two systems” in general, an example of which would be Gui Minhai who’s serving time for a book he published in Hong Kong.

So, I would say the analogy is still apt. The CCP control is being implemented which is what the protesters are against.

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UIZealot ◴[01 Oct 19 14:41 UTC] No.21125797[source]▶
> The CCP control is being implemented which is what the protesters are against.

Really? How exactly is it being implemented?

EDIT: Down-voters, can you answer the question? Or are you just going to try to bury it with down-votes?

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Legogris ◴[01 Oct 19 15:36 UTC] No.21126555[source]▶
There are several reports of people whom the CCP views as antagonistic having gone missing when flying into or through China. Bookshop owners, political activists and writers, for example.

The strong reaction against the extradition bill comes to a large part out of (reasonable) fear that it will be abused as a tool to get rid of dissidents and pro-independence elements.

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UIZealot ◴[01 Oct 19 16:44 UTC] No.21127538{3}[source]▶
I'm only aware of Gui Minhai, a book store owner. He had to appear on TV in China and give a confession of guilt, but was afterwards free to go home. He is not missing. And he is not serving time, the GGP was mistaken.

(EDIT: I stand corrected, if reports of his continuing detention in mainland China are true. His is certainly a curious, unfortunately, and extreme case. It does not take away from the fact that Hong Kong still has a functioning judiciary system independent from mainland China, and the vast vast majority of Hong Kong citizens have no reason to fear the same fate.)

The extradition treaty has officially been withdrawn as a result of the protests.

That alone should tell you that Hong Kong has been able to maintain substantial autonomy from the central Chinese government.

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1. onemoresoop ◴[01 Oct 19 16:51 UTC] No.21127619{4}[source]▶
After his release from prison, in October 2017, Gui Minhai has been under strict surveillance, living in a flat in Ningbo. His access to the internet and communication with the outside world has been limited, despite assurances from the Chinese authorities, on a number of occasions, that he was a ”free man and that the Swedish authorities could have any contact they wished with their fellow citizen”. Sweden’s Foreign Minister, Margot Wallström, made a statement saying that providing consular help to a Swedish citizen in need of medical care was ”perfectly in line with basic international rules, including the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations”.

[0]: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/02/21/enough-forced-confessi...