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1116 points whatok | 6 comments | 19 Aug 19 18:11 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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avip ◴[19 Aug 19 20:09 UTC] No.20741336[source]▶
My YT overlord lately decided I should watch Jackie Chan commentates about the situation in Hong-Kong [0]. I was very surprised to see the English comments almost unanimously support China. Would have expected the opposite sentiment.

[edit: stupid me, the uploader is CGTN, a well-known state propoganda channel]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7rIg49I0yI

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mytailorisrich ◴[19 Aug 19 20:44 UTC] No.20741632[source]▶
Jackie Chan is entitled to his opinions.

During those protests there have been rioting and ransacking of the local Parliament with some expressing views that HK was not, or should not be, China. This can genuinely trigger feelings of patriotism and outrage.

The lastest protest seems to have been peaceful and to have respected the authorities' restrictions as much as possible so it may be that they have understood that using violence was playing into the hands of the other side.

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1. justaguyhere ◴[19 Aug 19 21:12 UTC] No.20741883[source]▶
One thing that is super impressive about these protests (other than the sheer number of people) is the lack of looting, violence etc (not counting police violence on unarmed people). Very very impressive. Compare this with French riots etc in recent years - night and day!
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2. chii ◴[19 Aug 19 23:55 UTC] No.20742767[source]▶
I actually expect that a lot of violence and such are false flag operations, designed to taint the image of the protesters.
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3. adventured ◴[20 Aug 19 01:49 UTC] No.20743216[source]▶
Given what we've seen there with the planted triad attacks, it would make perfect sense that they would infiltrate and stage violence as well. That's a tactic that has been used even in liberal democracies in the past when dealing with rampant protests.
4. Aeolun ◴[20 Aug 19 04:20 UTC] No.20743804[source]▶
I think this is partially because the French are certain their police won’t excessively go to town on them even when they are looting/pillaging.

The same thing does not apply in HK I think.

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5. bharath_bhushan ◴[20 Aug 19 05:49 UTC] No.20744161[source]▶
One possible factor in the French riots is immigrants, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots#Context. This is not a problem in HK and very tightly controlled in China.

Also the same factor could be important in other mass crimes, for example, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046.

6. justaguyhere ◴[20 Aug 19 12:18 UTC] No.20746028[source]▶
I guess you missed all the news about excessive use of force by the French police during the riots, and the insane show of force by the French police on the volunteers (many of whom are French nationals btw) helping immigrants?

French police are not exactly a beacon of friendship.

You can twist this however you want - you still can't take away the fact that HK protesters seem much nicer, better organized and well behaved.

And no, I have nothing to do with China/HK, never been there etc. I am just an impartial observer impressed with the HK protesters, thats all.