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TheCapn ◴[] No.20576645[source]
The one thing I sort of held as truth over my life about why international grand conspiracies would never be "real" was that there's just too many individuals involved to make a coverup possible. Surely there has to be some individual with morals to leak necessary evidence to the media right?

The more that comes out about this Epstein case the more I question that truth. I'm sure there are people on the inside looking to call out and reveal things but if our sole source of coverage for these events are media companies owned by the very people guilty of such high crimes then what do we do? Surely the internet would enable these voices to come forward?

The whole thing seems so weird and like a fiction novel. I'd love to see those horrible people charged for their crimes, but in the absolute bare minimum I'd like to see how such criminal empires operate without notice.

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1. neurobashing ◴[] No.20576849[source]
One of the things I've noticed is that the grand conspiracies often get the "shape" of things right, just the particulars are wrong. "Pizzagate"/QAnon are, at least as of right now, somewhat distantly correct in the sense that, holy cats there maybe really is a bunch of rich and famous people who are connected to a child sex ring.

Of course QAnon et al turn it into some crazy nonsense involving a relatively meaningless hormone and a reality TV star as conquering hero.

Or Bohemian Grove. They're doing Satanic rituals! All those rich and famous people are doing horribly corrupt and satanic! They're conspiring to control our lives with evil magic!

Well, _no_, they're actually just engaging in some _very tacky_ theatre followed by the usual rich-person networking, and they'd rather not have you know that a bunch of important events in government and business maybe started there. I mean, heck, that's _the Masons_ too. It was facebook/linkedin of the analog era. join up, "culture of secrecy", but mostly you meet people for business contacts and whatnot.