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TheMagicHorsey ◴[] No.17518505[source]
I don't know if it's just me, but if you read the forums and bug reports related to open source projects, it feels like programmers today are a really entitled lot.

The tone that people take when filing bug reports for what is basically free software is reprehensible. People are doing work for FREE to benefit you, and you take a tone with them like you are a prince and they are your royal goblet holders? Who taught these human beings their manners?

I totally understand the frustration when you write a large system in Python and then the Python committee makes a breaking change that makes your life very difficult. However, you didn't pay for Python! These sorts of changes should be expected, and if you didn't expect it, you are the fool. And in any case, you aren't paying these people a cent, so speak politely to them. You are basically a charity case from their perspective.

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setgree ◴[] No.17519060[source]
One person who understands and writes extremely well about this dynamic is Eliezer Yudkowsky. From the incomparable Harry potter and the Methods of Rationality: [0]

""I was going to be a hero, once," said Professor Quirrell, still looking upward. "Can you believe that, Miss Granger?"

"No."

"Thank you again, Miss Granger. It is true nonetheless... I was not naive, Miss Granger, I did not expect the power-holders to align themselves with me so quickly - not without something in it for themselves. But their power, too, was threatened; and so I was shocked how they seemed content to step back, and leave to that man all burdens of responsibility. They sneered at his performance, remarking among themselves how they would do better in his place, though they did not condescend to step forward...Perhaps, by taking on himself the curse of action, that man removed it from all others?...

"So -" Hermione's voice sounded strange in the night. "You left your friends behind where they'd be safe, and tried to attack the Dark Wizard all by yourself?"

"Why, no," said Professor Quirrell. "I stopped trying to be a hero, and went off to do something else I found more pleasant.""

This might be hard to grok without reading the preceding 83 chapters but it is the first thing that came to mind when I see how people treat open source contributors.

[0] http://www.hpmor.com/chapter/84

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parrellel ◴[] No.17520563[source]
It is worth mentioning that Eliezer Yudkowsky doesn't believe in the scientific method, and thinks it can be replaced with pure Bayesian reasoning, without, as far as I can tell, any data collection.
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Eliezer ◴[] No.17526795[source]
I'm not even sure I should bother replying to this. But, like many, I'd consider the scientific method properly applied to be a special case of probability theory, modulo some social rules that might technically depart from Bayesian reasoning but are supposedly there to create good equilibria among less than perfect reasoners. This involves observation, natch.

The parent commenter is presumably beyond all help, but anyone interested in an example of my views on this point may consult "A Bayesian view of scientific virtues" here: https://arbital.com/p/bayes_science_virtues/

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1. parrellel ◴[] No.17528375[source]
I am amazed you took the time to reply to this as well, but, just so its on the record, having read more than a little of your material, I do consider your entire "rational" movement a bit of a cult.
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2. Eliezer ◴[] No.17528791[source]
Having read not more than a little amount of your take on my material, I suggest you look to your own reading comprehension skills.