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“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”

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2024 points randlet | 10 comments | 12 Jul 18 15:22 UTC | HN request time: 2.2s | source | bottom
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antpls ◴[12 Jul 18 18:35 UTC] No.17517358[source]▶
If Guido wasn't himself while writing the PEP572, I ask for a new vote about the PEP572. I vote against it, the PEP572 should not be implemented.

To me, it seems a restricted variant on the specific cases "if" and "while" would be good enough, without generalizing to more cases.

The exemples of assignment with "all()" and "any()" make me sad. Python had only one way of doing things, now it has two.

Reading Python code will be more complicated now than it was 10 years ago for newcomers

Edit : I'm sick of all the downvotes on HN. Everytime we post an opinion against the consensus, it ruins the karma, even if the comment is honest. And of course, I can't downvote people, since people keep downvoting me, I never reach the threshold to vote against any comment. The system is unfair to newcomers.

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1. daxorid ◴[12 Jul 18 20:02 UTC] No.17518138[source]▶
> Everytime we post an opinion against the consensus

Downvoting was, long ago, supposed to be used to indicate trolling, incivility, not substantive, etc. Sometime recently, dang and sctb have ruled that downvoting for disagreement is now perfectly acceptable.

In any event, I agree it's become a terrible method of hivemind enforcement. Have an upvote.

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3. antpls ◴[12 Jul 18 20:25 UTC] No.17518320[source]▶
That is what I thought too. I read HN since so many years. Perfect example of a rating system turning into a bad censorship.
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4. detaro ◴[12 Jul 18 20:27 UTC] No.17518328[source]▶
> Sometime recently, dang and sctb have ruled that downvoting for disagreement is now perfectly acceptable.

You are wrong about that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171

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5. tomhoward ◴[12 Jul 18 22:31 UTC] No.17519163[source]▶
pg asserted that downvoting is fine to be used for disagreement in Feb 2008, when HN was less than a year old:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171

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6. antpls ◴[13 Jul 18 10:15 UTC] No.17521730{3}[source]▶
I don't care about pg tho
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7. dang ◴[13 Jul 18 14:31 UTC] No.17523238[source]▶
More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314
8. dang ◴[13 Jul 18 14:32 UTC] No.17523243{4}[source]▶
The point is simply that he set the pattern for this site.
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9. antpls ◴[13 Jul 18 15:57 UTC] No.17524022{5}[source]▶
Things have to change at some point, that's why Guido is taking a permanent vacation.
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10. tomhoward ◴[13 Jul 18 23:55 UTC] No.17527818{6}[source]▶
The assertion being made, that you seemed to be endorsing, was that downvoting used to be only for incivil or troll comments, but that has changed recently under the newer moderation team.

As pg’s 2008 quote shows, that assertion is wrong.

Whether it should change now is a separate issue, but there seems to be no mood for that among the more active contributors to HN.