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bla2 ◴[] No.17515883[source]
> I don't ever want to have to fight so hard for a PEP and find that so many people despise my decisions.

Leading a large open source project must be terrible in this age of constant outrage :-(

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symmitchry ◴[] No.17515972[source]
I'm a little confused though, by his feelings here. Why did he feel the need to "fight so hard for a PEP" if it was so controversial, and everyone was outraged?

I do understand people's points about "the age of outrage" and "internet 2018" but still: the PEP wasn't generally accepted as being a fantastic improvement, so why did he feel the need to fight so hard for it?

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jnwatson ◴[] No.17516128[source]
It was controversial syntax, inline assignment-as-expression. There's always a tension between "keep it simple stupid" and "let's make it better", especially when a large user demographic of Python are non-professional-programmers.

Interestingly, C++ is going through the same process, with lots of great ideas being proposed, but the sum total of them being an even more complicated language (on top of what is probably the most complicated language already).

Python has been successful, IMHO, because Guido has made several brave, controversial calls. Python 3 breakage and async turned out to be prescient, fantastic decisions.

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coldtea[dead post] ◴[] No.17516204[source]
>Python 3 breakage and async turned out to be prescient, fantastic decisions.

Async maybe. Python 3 breakage? Did you forgot the /s tag?

pvg ◴[] No.17516452[source]
This is a particularly ill-chosen thread to deliberately try to re-flame this flamewar. Most threads are.
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coldtea ◴[] No.17517200[source]
>This is a particularly ill-chosen thread to deliberately try to re-flame this flamewar

Apparently it's the right thread to be rude and to assign intentions to people you don't know though?

And all because they dared say their opinion on a subject you're sensitive about?

How about that: people can have any opinion they like on Python 3, including considering it a botched migration process and a ho-hum update. And it's totally legit for them to speak about that. And it's not your place to censor them, or act up any time they express their opinions.

You can either add your arguments, or skip reading their comments. How about that?

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1. scott_s ◴[] No.17517519[source]
Opinions are fine. But "Did you forgot the /s tag?" is antagonistic. Please don't antagonize.