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bojo ◴[] No.17471265[source]
There's been many a discussion here about companies holding out for the perfect candidate, curious to see how many jobs go unfilled for how long.
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1. PaulRobinson ◴[] No.17471359[source]
I got a new remote gig recently. Because I'm going to talk about recruitment process and I don't think it's relevant, I won't name my new employer here.

My process had over a dozen stages, mostly 1+ hour video calls, one of them a 2-hour tech test. It took several months to complete.

I wasn't in a rush (I actually walked away from it for about a month in the middle for personal reasons), and they were being a little cagey perhaps because it was a senior-ish hire into tech (Principal), and picking the wrong person at that level can do serious damage to a tech culture. I appreciated they took it that seriously.

They then were prepared to wait for my notice on my existing role, which was 3 months (negotiated down to half that in the end).

That shows commitment on both sides.

This is going to be a stronger trend. There are a lot of people out there with a CV that says "senior developer" on it, asking for top-drawer contractor rates, feeling a little entitled because they know some React or Go, so it makes sense to take your time and really, really kick the tires.

With a remote workforce, able to hire anybody in any country, it makes sense to really find the best you can: they can make or break your business. Makes sense to me.

There is research - but I can't place where/when I read it right now - that says you should decide how many people you're prepared to interview, then discard your first third of that number. Then hire the first person you meet who is better than the best candidate in the first third.

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2. hyperknot ◴[] No.17471452[source]
It's actually 1/e ~ 36.7%, the solution to the mathematical problem of how can you find the best sample in a sequence, if you cannot go "back" and pick one of the previous ones. As long as you can ask people to "wait a bit" this is not the best solution.
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3. anothergoogler ◴[] No.17472372[source]
A dozen stages? Holy crap. I guess they weren't worried about you considering other offers.
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4. pm90 ◴[] No.17472658[source]
Personally taking so long to hire someone would be a big red flag.

I agree that hiring someone wrong can be damaging, but you can usually screen out obvious incompetence pretty quickly for any level real fast in onsites.

If I was the candidate I would assume they have a culture of waiting for perfection before shipping tomorrow rather than shipping something OK today and that is not the culture I want to be a part of.

Please note that I'm only detailing what I personally would infer from their decision. They may very well have a totally different culture.

5. drfuchs ◴[] No.17472876[source]
The research problem you're thinking of is known as "The Secretary Problem" and Wikipedia has pretty comprehensive coverage on it (spoiler: it's N/e). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem
6. solipsism ◴[] No.17472923[source]
they were being a little cagey perhaps because it was a senior-ish hire into tech (Principal)

Slightly off topic perhaps, but it's been my experience that these sorts of titles are meaningful and comparable only within a company. Across companies they don't mean much. A "principal" engineer at one company may not even be a senior engineer at another, or may be comparable to the CTO at another.

The terms are probably closer to being comparable within similar companies. e.g. the FAANG companies might have organically developed similar nomenclature to each other. But in general I find the terms are near-useless.

I wonder if others have the same impression. It would be nice if we had some way to calibrate positions across companies.

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7. gknoy ◴[] No.17472924[source]
For those interested in why, you can look for info on the "secretary problem":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem

8. snarf21 ◴[] No.17473258[source]
It reminded me of the joke HR rule about hiring candidates.

Take the top half of the resumes and throw them away because you don't want to hire unlucky people.

9. gazarsgo ◴[] No.17473325[source]
check out https://www.levels.fyi/
10. scarface74 ◴[] No.17473828[source]
Were they offering significantly above market value? If not, I wouldn’t have been willing to go through all of the hoops.
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11. PaulRobinson ◴[] No.17473854[source]
They were offering San Francisco money, and I don't live in San Francisco. So, yes.
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12. PaulRobinson ◴[] No.17473949[source]
I made it clear early on I had dismissed approaches from about 10-15 other companies, and that they were my first preference, and they made it clear they were going to take their time on this one. We're all happy.
13. scarface74 ◴[] No.17474062{3}[source]
Yeah in that case with the opportunity to work remote and live in a cheaper part of the country, it would be well worth the extra effort on my part and I can understand the caution on theirs.