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rdsubhas ◴[] No.16728163[source]
> We will never sell your data or use it to target ads. Period.

Won't sell != Won't collect

> We will never log your IP address (the way other companies identify you)

Never log IP != Never log anything

Bonus: The way other companies identify you ~= There are other ways

Edit: Looks like many people assume I'm nitpicking. So here are more specific questions:

* Is logging a hashcode of the IP considered as "not logging the IP"?

* Can combination of timestamp, packet info other than end IP (latency, hops, etc), geoIP and other factors be used for deep intelligence?

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eastdakota ◴[] No.16729896[source]
I'm fine with nitpicking. Let me try and be clear: We're not logging IPs. We inherently receive them when they connect to the service, but we don't write them to disk and flush them quickly (i.e., seconds or minutes). We're not logging hashes of IPs. We're not logging ASNs of the IPs connecting to the service. We do log the other parts of a DNS query in order to help prevent abuse and debug issues. However, we've committed to wiping these logs within 24 hours. We have no interest in doing anything to deanonymize users. We have a great business based in large part around making the Internet more private and secure. Logically: we would never sacrifice that great business to get into a crappy data sharing service.
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feelin_googley ◴[] No.16732331[source]
"... a crappy data sharing service."

Do you mean OpenDNS?

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eastdakota ◴[] No.16733176[source]
No. I mean most businesses that are based on sharing data. They are low margin and not very interesting. I was thinking about businesses like Axicom when I wrote the comment.

Have a ton of respect for David Ulevitch and the whole OpenDNS team. While OpenDNS started with an ad-supported business model, they've completely pivoted away from that. Now that they're part of Cisco, I believe their nearly exclusive revenue stream today is their Umbrella product which is a network security product aimed at businesses. While I don't know for sure, I'd be highly surprised if OpenDNS were selling browsing data.

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1. feelin_googley ◴[] No.16735313{3}[source]
What I meant was sharing not browsing data but DNS lookup data.

As always, too easy to be misunderstood in comments like these.