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sho ◴[] No.16407784[source]
What is crazy about the the situation in SF is that even 5 or so years ago if you asked me what the "echo chamber" there was echoing I would have said libertarianism and some kind of techno-utopianism. The takeover by the proscriptive far-left has been astonishingly rapid, and it is absolutely real. I also know people who have left, and many more who absolutely keep their political and even philosophical views to themselves, especially after Damore.

It's been an extraordinarily fast takeover and I'd really like to know exactly what happened those 5 or so years ago to precipitate this seismic shift.

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wz1000 ◴[] No.16408051[source]
> The takeover by the proscriptive far-left

Americans have a very weird conception of what "far-left" means. Liberal feel good minority appeasement by billion dollar multinational corporations is as far from "far-left" as you can get.

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sho ◴[] No.16408649[source]
Interesting, especially since I am not American and I think I have a pretty good idea of what "far-left" means. Care to explain what you think it means?

I use it to describe any political ideology focussed on equality of outcome and legitimacy through elimination of self-judged "oppression", which is IMO as good a definition as any as the communist disasters of the 20th century.

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wz1000 ◴[] No.16408802[source]
Most "far-leftists" tend to view liberal identity politics as a distraction, or a way for the ruling classes to promote infighting and discord, occasionally handing out scraps to keep the proles occupied.

Leftists aren't really bothered about whether the CEO or President is black or white or male or female or transgender, but by the fact that any single person is allowed the wield the power that a CEO or President can yield. Many of them also reject reformist politics.

Black Panther Party member Fred Hampton(As good an example of a "far-left" American figure as you can find) can probably explain it better:

> We got to face some facts. That the masses are poor, that the masses belong to what you call the lower class, and when I talk about the masses, I'm talking about the white masses, I'm talking about the black masses, and the brown masses, and the yellow masses, too. We've got to face the fact that some people say you fight fire best with fire, but we say you put fire out best with water. We say you don't fight racism with racism. We're gonna fight racism with solidarity. We say you don't fight capitalism with no black capitalism; you fight capitalism with socialism.

> We ain't gonna fight no reactionary pigs who run up and down the street being reactionary; we're gonna organize and dedicate ourselves to revolutionary political power and teach ourselves the specific needs of resisting the power structure, arm ourselves, and we're gonna fight reactionary pigs with INTERNATIONAL PROLETARIAN REVOLUTION. That's what it has to be. The people have to have the power: it belongs to the people.

> We have to understand very clearly that there's a man in our community called a capitalist. Sometimes he's black and sometimes he's white. But that man has to be driven out of our community, because anybody who comes into the community to make profit off the people by exploiting them can be defined as a capitalist. And we don't care how many programs they have, how long a dashiki they have. Because political power does not flow from the sleeve of a dashiki; political power flows from the barrel of a gun. It flows from the barrel of a gun!

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/fhamptonspeech.html

A good rule of thumb is - Anything done by multi billion dollar corporations is probably not leftist.

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sho[dead post] ◴[] No.16408947{3}[source]
I have no idea what you just said.

Care to provide me with your promised definition of what "far-left" means?

1. wz1000 ◴[] No.16409006{4}[source]
"far-left" doesn't mean any singular thing, but a few characteristics I can think of are:

- Rejection of capitalism and private property

- Opposition to all forms of social hierarchy

- Rejection of electoral and reformist politics

- Revolutionary, often militant program

- Explicitly communist or anarchist in nature

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