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Chinese Workers Abandon Silicon Valley for Riches Back Home

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219 points thisisit | 2 comments | 11 Jan 18 16:55 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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lostmsu ◴[11 Jan 18 18:56 UTC] No.16126641[source]▶
There's one important datapoint in this article: "The Bamboo Ceiling".

When the whole fuzz about gender discrimination started, Microsoft and Google published numbers, claiming women got the same pay at the same positions as men. Knowing there's discrimination from personal experience/feeling, I theorized, that women are discriminated in a different way: they don't receive promotions.

Under otherwise similar circumstances having children does not feel to be enough to explain why of 100 women hired in tech on professional roles less are promoted to higher positions, than of 100 men. That trend is (at least anecdotally for me) observable even before people become parents.

This "Bamboo Ceiling" shows the same effect for another potentially discriminated group of people.

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dominotw ◴[11 Jan 18 19:10 UTC] No.16126781[source]▶
I have the opposite observation, women do tend to get promoted to managerial roles fairly quickly.
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toomuchtodo ◴[11 Jan 18 19:16 UTC] No.16126838[source]▶
Good managers have empathy. Women are traditionally more empathetic.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19476221/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5110041/

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pacala ◴[11 Jan 18 19:26 UTC] No.16126945[source]▶
Consider treading more carefully. Your statement, with gender role reversed, caused people to get publicly fired as recent as 2017.
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toomuchtodo ◴[11 Jan 18 19:37 UTC] No.16127057[source]▶
I work at a traditional enterprise. My (non radical) opinions don’t get me fired (versus the greater tech community).

It’s amusing to see these comments fluctuate wrt karma so quickly for the simple thesis that women might have traits that allow them to be better managers. I even come with study citations!

My condolences to those of you who might work somewhere where your livelihood is threatened for freedom of thought. The job market is great right now FYI.

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alexman ◴[11 Jan 18 20:18 UTC] No.16127416[source]▶
I don't get it: do comments get downvoted on HN whenever there's any mention of or opinion on difference between genders? Disagreement shouldn't lead to downvote.
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lurr ◴[11 Jan 18 21:13 UTC] No.16127922{3}[source]▶
> Disagreement shouldn't lead to downvote

Actually PG said the opposite. I used to have the comment saved, but lost it in a format.

Anyway, people also downvote because they are sick of talking about this.

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alexman ◴[12 Jan 18 05:42 UTC] No.16130658{4}[source]▶
I'm surprised if PG did say that. If disagreement should lead to downvote, then unpopular opinions would not see the light of day.

Also, if one's sick of discussing a topic, s/he can simply don't read about or discuss it. Why prevent others from discussing it?

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1. dang ◴[12 Jan 18 08:15 UTC] No.16131314{5}[source]▶
Things pg said about downvotes:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691

It's how HN has always worked, and in my opinion needs to. A site that cares about discussion quality needs those white blood cells.

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2. alexman ◴[12 Jan 18 23:13 UTC] No.16137127[source]▶
Thanks for sharing the threads. I always think that downvoting is for discouraging bad arguments from DH0 to DH3 [1] (for discussion quality as you mentioned). Now I realize that even convincing arguments at DH6 can be downvoted as long as one disagrees with it.

[1] http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html