Chinese Workers Abandon Silicon Valley for Riches Back Home

> sadly leaving

Why is it sad? They get to go back home instead of on the other side of the planet from the place they grew up, and they don't have to give up nearly as much to do it.

Good for them.

> My China-born colleagues seem to in general be more conservative, and Silicon Valley has become violently intolerant of anyone that holds an opinion different than the predominant view

Had to get that "oppressed conservatives" narrative in.

I keep asking what views people are so intolerant of. Tend not to get real answers.

These are both weasel words and willfully ignorant of what the OP is talking about. You don't have to agree with conservative views to understand that certain views are not tolerated (e.g. women are worse workers, etc.)

>Had to get that "oppressed conservatives" narrative in.

>I keep asking what views people are so intolerant of. Tend not to get real answers.

Because this is HN and people are less willing to let you derail the conversation with politics.

For your last point, I think you don't get "real" answers because there are totally different worldviews and perspectives clashing. You'd probably feel that any earnest response was a person just trying justify some "-ism" that you think is worthy of ostracism. They wouldn't see it that way.

As I said below I do not find it useful at all to try to list out the views that are not tolerated as there is no way that you can reduce a huge population groups opinions into neat categories, people can hold both conservative and liberal opinions as well as everything outside those at the same time, and I believe doing so would distract from the real conversation which is the intolerance.

There are also plenty of leaked examples of how people with other opinions are treated to even shock me that generally agree with the predominant view, and I encourage you to look it up and form your own opinion.

> Why is it sad? They get to go back home instead of on the other side of the planet from the place they grew up, and they don't have to give up nearly as much to do it.

As an immigrant myself I can tell you that leaving my network and life here would come at a huge cost. There are benefits of cause, especially since my home country Norway has a much better social support system. In my opinion nobody should have to do this out of fear, and that I perceive fear to sometimes be a contributing reason is what I find sad. Including the fact that I loose great colleauges that I love working with.

But I'm not asking for a comprehensive list, I'm asking what people are afraid to say. I think it's incredibly disingenuous to claim oppression, but also be unwilling to discuss it any further. I also think it does nothing to help the situation.

The obvious answer is "I voted for trump". But then of course, why?

I disagree that it is disingenuous because of the reasons provided and I gave you easy ways for you to find examples of this yourself if you are interested, and also provided more ways in a comment in the above thread.

I am uncertain if you are seeking concrete examples from me because you do not believe there is an intolerance to opinions or if you want them to see if you agree with oppressing some specific views in a list. Considering your response I tend towards the latter interpretation. Again, I do not think it is possible to simplify the opinions of a large group of people into neat categories.

Intolerant is a hell of a lot better than being jailed or disappearing for saying what you believe to be true.

> I keep asking what views people are so intolerant of. Tend not to get real answers.

I'll give you some real answers. Note the are plenty of exceptions to what I'm about to say, but the views are very commonly held. Also note, in this post generally, and when I say 'Chinese' or 'Chinese community' I'm specifically referring to people who grew up in mainland China and moved to other countries as adults for study/work, not to children of people of Chinese descent who grew up in another country. Anyway, on to the issues:

1) Gay rights/issues - although not likely to be discriminatory to gays they know personally, being gay is generally viewed by the Chinese as a degenerate lifestyle choice and/or mental illness. Not to mention thinking that it spits on the graves of generations of their ancestors (because it has the high potential to end family lines). For a representative and recent (but non US) example, Australia recently held a referendum on whether to legalise gay marriage. The Chinese community was one of the strongest opposing voices to this. There is a common view that general acceptance of the gay community could teach/persuade their children to be gay, which is something none of them want. [0]

2) Trans rights/issues. Take the Chinese community's stance on gay rights/issues and multiply it by 10. That's how they feel on trans issues. Again with a recent Australian example, there is program called 'safe schools' that aims "to create an inclusive and safe environment for their school community, including for LGBTI students, families and teachers". The Chinese community is also vociferously opposed to this, believing (rightly or wrongly) that it is teaching their children to be gay/trans. [1]

3) Traditional gender roles. Chinese are very proud to announce that 'woman hold up half the sky' and that there is equally between men and women. It's a strongly held belief, because they compare things to how they were a hundred years ago when woman had bound feet, couldn't go to school, and weren't allowed outside without a male chaperone, and so yes things are definitely more equal now. Patriarchal Confucianism still has a strong influence on society however and women are generally still expected to do most of the cooking, cleaning and child-rearing in a household (unless the wife is from Shanghai, and then her husband is probably going to be doing all of it), and despite it being illegal for doctors to tell prospective parents the sex of their unborn child, there is still plenty of selective abortion that happens thanks to a cultural preference for males combined with an only recently loosened one child policy. [2]

That's three to start it off - I could go on, but this post is already getting long enough. In short, it's a fair assessment to say that the overseas Chinese community is generally socially conservative (I would also say they are generally fiscally conservative also).

0: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-16/chinese-community-expr...

1: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-23/safe-schools-mp-lodges...

2: http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2119281/...