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codeproject ◴[] No.15994429[source]
This story is fake. I was there. Hard to believe this, I didn't see anyone dead in the Tiananmen Square. We were at Square. The soldiers surrended us. The soldiers shouted, "Get out of square". People were very emotional. Some wanted to stay and others wanted to leave. We heard that student leaders, Liu XiaoBo (who is awarded 2009 Nobel peace prize for this effort) was elected to negotiate with the troop commander. Later Hou Dejian, (who is the Taiwanese singer and one of the leaders), told the crowd that we can leave peacefully and there will be a safe corridor. Because there were a lot of people who didn't want to leave, Hou shouted, those want to leave say "go" and those want to stay say"stay". From my memory, the result was about even. Someone from speaker said that majority want to go. Let's get out peacefully. I remember very clearly, on the side of the corridor, there were several cameramen to record the proceeding of our leaving. There was a western looking face. if you want to know the truth, see the TV documentary Tiananmen square. that one is very objective. I lived in Beijing at the time. The reason I end up in the square was that initially, I was at FuxingMen area where troop shoot people happened so I moved along the ChangAn street and end up in the square. I passed by the square very day before the crackdown, I had tried to get into the square to talk to the student leaders. But I can't get to the center where the People's monument is stood because student union was established there and the tempory pass was needed to get there. During the night of June 3rd, everyone can get there and still hard to talk to the leaders. There are about hundreds of deaths. after 89, There is a group called "Mother of Tiananmen square". a group of women who lost their children during the night. They are very brave and under pressure from the government, tried to collect the names of those who died during the night and documented circumstances of death. They documented about several hundred of cases. After the incident, I come to USA. I found out why there are people want to exaggerate this thing. For the news people, the more sensational the better. that make their career. Most people don't know, there were about 40 thousands of chinese students in US university. at the time, most of these students were sent here by Government. It is called "Gong Pai", means their expenses were paid by the government. as part of the deal, these people have to be back to China when their schedule is up. At the time, China was very poor. these people don't want to go back. So there was an incentive there. and Later, Geroge H.W.Bush issued an Executive order which granted these students and scholars wholesale so far you proved that you were in USA before April 11, 1990. Those who come after that can apply for political asylum as well. at the time, U.S is in recession. Helped people to apply for the political asylum was a big business. I myself was asked if I want to apply. (I said no). There were Chinese student leaders end up in U.S too. They need money to survive. They want to get the funds from U.S government to continue the Democracy moment. so they have the incentive to hype this as well. Believe me, at the time, I want to believe this exaggerated version of the story. I want to tell people there were ten thousands of people died crushed by tanks. But that is not true. After I come to US, I was very disappointed by some of Chinese students behaviors in US. They organize the demonstration and have the picture taken in the US campus so that they can use it as proof to apply political asylum. The American journalists were in favor of student demonstrators, I can understand, but some were really embarrassed themselves professionally. fake news is not invented during 2016 election. Knowing both sides very well, I saw a lot of fake news, something out and out lies being reported about china during the 1990s. Still, there were a lot of honest American journests that earned my respect, in all emotional times, they just stick to the facts, no bull. Unfortunately, people like that never get promoted. it is true every where. Honesty never pay.
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1. plandis ◴[] No.15994851[source]
Hello,

I downvoted you because you are best case ignorant, or worst case trying to cover this up. I suggest you read through Amnesty Internationals documentation about the incident.