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Tiananmen Square 1989 death toll was at least 10,000 according to UK documents

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362 points ComputerGuru | 1 comments | 23 Dec 17 12:36 UTC | HN request time: 0.807s | source
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mutteraloo ◴[23 Dec 17 14:29 UTC] No.15994264[source]▶
Lest we forget, this is still the same government that mowed down 10,000 innocent lives, that still runs China today. They've gotten better at hiding behind marketing, propaganda, and strong arming other countries, but they're still ruled by a small, powerful group of elders that control every aspects of Chinese people's lives.

It's sad that we keep feeding this dangerous psychopath which threatens democracy and freedom worldwide. This psychopath will eventually cause harm to a few countries (Taiwan, South Korea) when said and done, maybe enable North Korea to strike a few nuclear missiles into Los Angeles or Tokyo, who knows.

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Dolores12 ◴[23 Dec 17 15:21 UTC] No.15994438[source]▶
China wouldn't become as what it is today if they didn't do it. There could not be economic growth during political instability. Life of a billion+ people is now better and in hindsight i guess it was worth it.
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mutteraloo ◴[23 Dec 17 15:28 UTC] No.15994475[source]▶
bullshit. or maybe the Chinese communist would have been overthrown, and they would have had a better government.

all the progress China's made today is because the communist government took their foot off of the necks of the common citizens, and let the citizens work tears and sweats.

Stop using what-ifs to justify monstrocities.

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1. osdiab ◴[23 Dec 17 15:59 UTC] No.15994655[source]▶
They did have many governments and coups in the last 150 years, and they didn’t lead to incrementally better situations, but instead turmoil and foreign exploitation. I’m not Chinese and I can’t speak for their decisions, but it sounds like you don’t know the historical context and assume that Western liberalism always leads to positive ends - which, given our catastrophic interventions around the world, doesn’t seem to be the case.

EDIT: to be clear, nobody is saying what they did is moral. But what I am saying is that the results of such an uprising was not guaranteed to be peaceful, orderly, nor lead to better outcomes; and furthermore you can make the argument that the success of modern Chinese governance has been one of the greatest triumphs of poverty alleviation and human development in all of human history. So to claim with such conviction that that branch of history would be the better option smacks of ignorance to me.